yeah, Army ! would you elaborate on your comments.....if committed? Why would you not sign in the early signing period?

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Originally posted by j2h6:
yeah, Army ! would you elaborate on your comments.....if committed? Why would you not sign in the early signing period?

In order for a player to sign a NLI there has to be a monetary amount their signing for....Whether it's 1$ or more there has to be a value (scholarship). No one signs a NLI that is not getting a scholarship.

If it's just a committment between the player and the coach for a spot on the roster then that's all it is and will be, a verbal committment...The coach cannot announce you as a recruited player until you sign a NLI or outside those dates sign for a scholarship.

Therefore there will be some that you wont see announced when the coaches make their early signee announcements or even their spring announcements.

If by some miracle money becomes available (by whatever reason) for a player who has committed to a team but is not receiving a scholarship, that scholarship will be signed before spring season begins their freshman year...

Another scenario would be that there is no more money available this year in the recruiting budget, but we want you and we will make it up to you in your sophomore year scholarship. This again is just a verbal committment that only holds the weight of the word of the coach and yes, the player.

These are all I can think of right now...there are possibly hundreds of different scenarios out there.

Bottom line will be seeing the fall/spring rosters of the schools to see where players ended up.

I do know that some of the commitment kids are not getting money, just help with admissions.

I was under the impression they would still be announced as part of their school's "recruiting class", as a consideration to them.

But I must admit, I don't know if NCAA rules permit them to announce kids who don't sign NLI's. And if you're not getting money (now with the 25% minimum), I don't know how that all shakes out. In the past, I guess some of those guys got "book money" and thus signed an NLI. Now, I don't know what happens.

I do think we can let these kids be acknowledged as recruits, though. Making a D-I team is an accomplishment with or without money being involved. And while I suppose some might say, well, they might still get cut next year, let's leave that kind of bad news for if and when it happens. For now, let's not rain on anyone's parade.

There are also schools that do not use the NLI and where a coach's interest in a kid will not absolutely dispose of the issue of admission. In those instances, any announcement short of actual admission is very premature.

That's right Midlo...NCAA rules do not allow them to announce a player without a NLI or signed scholarship...

However, like I said, there are numerous ways a player can be recruited. Not all players currently on a roster are getting money (25% does not apply to them). That's only if a player is recruited beginning with the 08' class. Also, that doesn't mean that the 25% given this year to recruit you cannot be reduced or eliminated next year based on performance in the classroom and on/off the field performance.

Players set themselves up each year to be a candidate for a raise or a canditate for reduction or dismissal.....

Look, that's why it is so important to do the homework on what situation your getting yourself into as a player. Do a history check and find out how your coach conducts fall tryouts/practices? How many players have ever been cut from their program and what were the reasons? How many players recruited were ever cut in the fall? What is the roster size of the team and will they be over-recruiting only to have to make mandatory cuts? Is the coach trustworthy...will he even be there next year? These are things that must be checked out and will become increasingly important as the programs learn how to deal with the 25% minimum requirement along with their roster size requirements.

Look the situation my son found himself in when presented with an offer to play baseball at a school that was on his top choice list may be unique. It still has what if's in it that may not be known until after the draft, and probably would be there wheter he signs a NLI or not...will my son be drafted? Could be a long shot, but I don't know. Would he accept more money in a scholarship offer later down the road if it bacame available after the draft and other drafted players sign and leave college (freeing up that more money)? Hell yes...Do you trust that our word is our bond and that we will fullfill our side of the bargain even if a NLI is not presented and signed or if injury occurs during his senior year in HS (non-career ending injury that is)? Dad says errrch! get back to you on that one....player listening to all this hubbub stops everyone from talking....takes his career and choices into his own hands, stands up and shakes the man's hand....it's done.

What are you going to do...?

army....thanks for elaborating !

A congratulations goes out to the Thomas family ! Ryan Thomas, C, Forest Park HS, signs w/ George Washington University. Ryan will have much success at GW and I can't wait to go watch him play. A talented ball player and an even better young man !

Congrats to Ryan and Family, not enough good things can be said about them...plus they get to see him play locally...that's always a bonus.

Gents:

It would be very interesting to count the number of great baseball players that came from the travel teams that are '08 kids now. Virginia Storm, Richmond Braves, Ashburn Astros and Virginia Bruins. I know the Drillers belong in there too but I've lost track of a lot of those kids. I'm sure there's more '08 that would add to the number.

With Ty Morrison and Ryan Thomas now on the board, the number of DI kids has to be in the 20+ range.

Great job to all and I'm sure there are many more from those teams that will sign.

I would also be interested in knowing this as well. I coached against these teams many times when my son was younger. Add in the Richmond Braves. The Drillers were good they had a couple of pitchers I remember that were very good.

SW, Here's the Virginia Bruins count so far for '07 and '08, I expect three to four more before their all done.

DI
Jake Pruner Forest Park '07 - Dartmouth
Justin Wright Forest Park '07 - Virginia Tech
Jamie Blackwell Forest Park '08 - UNC-Charlotte
Ryan Thomas Forest Park '08 - GWU

DIII
Jonathan Ball Hylton '07 - Virginia Wesleyan

The original Virginia Cardinals (f/k/a Huguenot Trailblazers) from northern Chesterfield had Daniel Marrs, Austin Stadler, Jake Lowery, Ryan Mallory and Robert Oldham (all named above). I am still hopeful that others will get the call before the year is out. EDIT 11-21-07: BRENT MIKIONIS, FORMERLY WITH THE TRAILBLAZERS AND CARDINALS AND NOW AT POWHATAN HS, HAS NOW ALSO COMMITTED TO VCU.

The Braves had Will Roberts and at different times, Tim Melville (now lives in Missouri), Danny Hultzen, Taylor Perkins, Andrew Thomas, Alfred Rodriguez, Stadler and Marrs, and several other D-I guys from outside VA.

JBBaseball is probably your best source for the Astros. I know of Alfred Rodriguez and Cole Shain but I'm sure I'm missing a few, and there are at least two more I'm betting on getting deals done in the coming months.

Form the Virginia Storm:

Ty Morrison '08 - Oregon
Gary Ward '08 - Miami
Brandon Shelton '08 - Old Dominion
Brett Harris '08 - Old Dominion
Chris Hardee '08 - Old Dominion
Hunter Parrish '08 - Old Dominion
Ben Lenda '08 - CNU
Tim Black '07 - Greensboro College
Taylor Reeves '07 - Gulf Coast CC

I expect there will be more.

Congratulations to all that are named in this thread. It has truly been a pleasure watching them grow as ball players and young men! Good luck at the next level!

Since I can not get anyone to post in the NC forum I hope you guys dont mind me coming in here. I stay out of the Texas forum those guys are tough. We played many of your teams over the years so here is our count so far.

Durham Diamonds
Pratt Maynard NC State
Jeff May UNC
Sean Madden Lenoir Rhyne
Douglas Dalley NCCU
Steele Myers VMI
Justin Duncan UNNC
Jacob Ezzel Rockingham CC

Hopefully more to come. I guess we did some things right back then huh? No wonder that was high caliber baseball at such a young age. Alot of talent on the field and in both dugouts.

Michael and Matthew Snyder from Westfield HS made it official and signed their NLI this week to Ole Miss. Congratulations and read more below:

Snyder twins sign w/ Ole Miss

Peter Verdin from Paul VI HS made it official and signed his NLI this week to Georiga. Congratulations and read more below:

Verdin signs with Georgia

Mikey O'Brien from Hidden Valley HS made it official and signed his NLI this week to Winthrop. Congratulations and read more below:

O'Brien signs w/ Winthrop

Aaron Atkinson from Caroline Co. HS made it official this week by signing his NLI to Radford. Congratulations and read more below:

Atkinson signs w/ Radford

Congratulations to Brett Mollenhauer from Hidden Valley HS who made it official this week by signing his NLI to Radford. Congratulations and read more below:

Mollenhauer signs w/ Radford

That is one heckuva coup for Radford. Apparently the new coaches there mean business!

I've seen Aaron up to 91 mph and his "slurve" is about as wicked as any breaking pitch I've seen at the high school level. Wish him the best!