I'm new to scorekeeping and have two questions on the dynamics.

1)When scoring a runner advancing after a caught flyball, is it considered a sac fly for the batter (no at-bat) or is it a stolen base by the runner?

2)When scoring pitch count, do the hits count as a strike for the pitcher or are hits disregarded in the pitch count.

Thanks for the help.

Michael

I believe a fly out by a hitter is only a sac fly if the runner scores (so a runner tagging from 2nd and going to third would not be a sac fly), but I could be wrong.

As far as pitch counts, all pitches that are swung at are considered strikes, whether the swing results in a ball in play, a foul, or a swing and miss.

Thank you for the clarification.
What would be the best way to score the tag-up advance? Just write the jersey number of the batter that got out by the advance of the runner?

Another question on SAC. If a runner advances a base on a bunt but does not score, it is still considered a SAC bunt, why would this also not be true for SAC Flys?

EH is correct in his response.

As far as the SF vs Sac Bunt - One if most definietely intentional, the Sac Bunt, so no matter where the runners are, if a batter gives himself up in this manner, it is considered a sacrafice.

With fly balls that advance runners, Only those that score a runner shall be considered a sacrafice. it is easier to see the intent of the hitter when there is a runner on third versus a runner on 1st or 2nd.

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Originally posted by SSSawyer:
Thank you for the clarification.
What would be the best way to score the tag-up advance? Just write the jersey number of the batter that got out by the advance of the runner?

Another question on SAC. If a runner advances a base on a bunt but does not score, it is still considered a SAC bunt, why would this also not be true for SAC Flys?

The way I keep track of how runners advance is by writing the # of the hitter's spot in the batting order that caused/enabled the runner to advance. So for example if your leadoff hitter doubled, then advanced to third on a fly out by the number 2 hitter, I would write a small "2" beside the line advancing the runner to third. That way I would know that he advanced because of what happened in the #2 hitters at bat. I don't know if this is "right" but it works for me.

I'm not sure the reason no SAC for the runner advancing a base but not scoring (and again, I could be wrong on that anyway). But my explanation would be that if there is a runner on 2nd for example and the hitter bunts him to 3rd, the hitter is intentionally sacrificing his at bat to advance the runner. However, if that runner was on 2nd and advanced to third on a fly to RF, I doubt you could make the argument that the hitter intentionally flew out to advance the runner.

That makes good sense. I also score similarly by putting a small number by the line showing the advance, although I use the jersey number instead of the batter's position in the lineup. Just wondering about OBP and whether or not to charge the batter with an AB. A flyout by a batter counts as an at-bat as long as no runners score. Thanks for the help.