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quote: Originally posted by redbird5:
OK...I just worked with a kid who went to a "showcase" and was told he threw a 1.9. I have seen this kid all last year and many times this year and haven't had him less than a 2.2 in a game OR workout.
As a matter of fact, I have timed every catcher we have played against, including many 17U teams and I have had 1 legit 1.95 out of probably 100+ catchers in the last year.
Sorry...venting is over.
I assume the kid was being truthful with you? |
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| Posts: 529 | Location: California | Registered: August 04, 2003 | |
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quote: Originally posted by redbird5:
OK...I just worked with a kid who went to a "showcase" and was told he threw a 1.9. I have seen this kid all last year and many times this year and haven't had him less than a 2.2 in a game OR workout.
As a matter of fact, I have timed every catcher we have played against, including many 17U teams and I have had 1 legit 1.95 out of probably 100+ catchers in the last year.
Sorry...venting is over.
Redbird, I feel your pain. I have had my share of 15 yr olds that say they are under 2.0 come to my program. They get a bit antsy when I time them. I have one of my instructors get in the box, deep in the box, and make it a point to swing and miss at the pitch they are being timed on. We let them know what that time is so we all understand what "real" is. |
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| Posts: 435 | Location: Hudson NH | Registered: August 29, 2003 | |
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I feel your pain RB, hear alot about kids throwing sub -2 pops, who have average arm speed, average feet, and poor mechanics. quote: Originally posted by Rob Kremer: There is a lot of hype about pop times. I believe very little of it.
Well said... I understand the dynamics of using poptime to measure productivity, comparability and PROJECTability, but the truth is the only thing that matters is if the kid actually throws out runners in a game. A PLUS arm is a PLUS arm, after that's determined, there are way too many other factors that can determine the productivity of the game speed throw. I'm alot more happy when a scout or coach tells me GED10 is a difference maker behind the plate, rather than he threw a 1.87 poptime at a showcase.  GED10DaD |
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| Posts: 332 | Location: Lubbock, Texas | Registered: January 27, 2009 | |
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quote: Originally posted by redbird5:
The kid really believes he throws a 1.9. It is sad.
And, yes, dirtbags...I know this happens all the time.
Things to consider: *Who has the stop watch in their hand and what kind of baseball/scouting/recruiting experience do they have. Do they know what the heck they are doing? *When they get pop times at showcases, often times there is not a hitter in the box to keep the catcher back. Consequently the catcher cheat.....i.e. better pop times.... It's all common sense......Get him a game at 1.9.....Pitcher still has to give you chance..... |
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| Posts: 475 | Location: Indiana | Registered: January 31, 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Dirtbags:
All true but that was not the point of the original post. I have timed tons of HS catchers in games and at showcase events. Catchers cheat in games with batters in the box as well. They come out early they turn early they even set up improperly. You can teach a kid how to stay back receive the baseball properly and then throw. You can not teach arm strength.
The bottom line is you know it when you see it. You can cheat all you want to but if you dont have the arm your not going to throw a downhill seed to second base cheating or not. I look for arm strength the rest can be taught and is all the time.
Reported sub 2.0 pops are no different than reported 90mph fb from the hill. Rarely are they for real. But when you see it you dont need a stop watch or a radar gun to know you have seen it.
I agree..... by cheating I mean......if he cheats in a game he will get his hand/arm knocked off....which means he is standing up....reaching out for the ball.....they get their glove foot slightly in front to cheat on getting square to throw.....I know I know I know....they don't do it properly......I grade armstrength DAILY..... I know what you are talking about. The kids are being lied to or the people running things do not know of what they speak/time/teach etc... THAT IS MY POINT....Baseball is my livelyhood, it supports my family.....I know all too well of what you are talking about...... All I was saying is that the people w/ the stopwatches in their hand OFTEN don't know what the heck they are doing either...... |
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| Posts: 475 | Location: Indiana | Registered: January 31, 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by redbird5: Funny thing is that I tell my son he is slower than he really is and it makes him work harder. 
Redbird, My oldest son threw under 2.0 about 15 months before he actually thought he could. Worked for him too. I only felt a little guilty.. |
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| Posts: 435 | Location: Hudson NH | Registered: August 29, 2003 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Catching Coach: Redbird, My oldest son threw under 2.0 about 15 months before he actually thought he could. Worked for him too. I only felt a little guilty..
 Yeah...he is touching the magic number right now but thinks it is still a 2.15. |
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| Posts: 3727 | Location: VB, VA | Registered: December 26, 2002 | |
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