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Originally posted by Chameleon:
Hmmmmm

Revealing........very revealing.

You can't see the differences...
You don't know where extension is...
You want everyone to believe you know what you're talking about...

lol

I know what extension is. I just don't know how you define it! LOL

Chameleon- I will explain it for you in words that you understand. You don't know jack when it comes to actually applying this stuff. You've never been around it. Never applied it. All MLB hitters have the physical prowess or they would not be there. The difference between them and others is between the ears.

How do I know? I've had over a dozen big-leaguers from my program with more to follow. Over 200 that have gone on to D1 Baseball. What are your credentials? That you jerk people off with intellectual spew. Get over yourself. You are an absolute nobody who has done nothing when it comes to applying a baseball swing in a real game.

Hit the nerve, did I?

C'mon...

Point out the differences.

Can you?

Show us. Don't brag about your past. We could care less who you've "hung out with". Show us what you know.

Point out the differences.

Pick One...Compare Him To Ankiel........mouth

Not bragging. I've been around great hitters. Even helped them. You hypothesize. Never really done it. While you are sitting here playing on the computer, I'm actually coaching real players.

I know plenty about hitting. I even agree with about 80% of what you seem to know. The difference is that I don't disagree to look smarter and make up theories to be different. You are a reciter. Do A, B, and C. A real coach can detect a flaw and fix it. Big difference.

I'm done now. You, on the other hand, will go to this site and five others making comments on how smart you are. Good luck being the king of nothing!

I stood 10' from Albert Pujols taking bp.

I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Now.....Point out the differences, mouth.

Pick a player and compare him to Ankiel, mouth.

We don't need to hear you say how smart you are.

Demonstrate it.

Or

Move along.

looks like the two left vids have less segmentation. Right vid is easier to see. (I could not get vids to work in QT). Hips open more in right video as rear legs looks more vertical at contact.

at hand c o c k, his barrel is pointed toward pitcher....rear elbow drops and hands move forward, then begin rotation into swing plane.

On MLB vids, I see barrel go from c o cked position slotted into lower position just before rear elbow drop to generate more consistent swing path.

In the Bonds video, at the 6th nope he has slotted the barrel into a lower positon. At the 7th nope, the shoulders tilt and the hands have begun the forward movement as his rear elbow drops and the hands have begun strong rotation of the barrel.

I'm guessing the primary difference you are looking for is that instance between "barrel c o c ked" and lauching forward where Ankiel pulls hands forward out of the c o c ked position then rotates hands late (he tilts and goes) while the MLB hitters continue moving the barrel from the higher c o c ked position in a downward and rearward loop before the shoulders tilt and hands begin forward rotation into swing path.

Whoooaaa,

Ya think one is quicker than the other?

Holy Cow, I didn't expect it to be this bad.



ncball,

C'mon....show us something. Tell us what you see?

Are these the same? Similar?

Do they both "have it" like ALL mlb players..... according to you?

90 K's, 25 BB's, 104 hits, .314 onbase in AAA to go with those 32 HR's, 89 rbi's, and .267 BA.

Can even YOU see why?

lol

Don't get me wrong. I am pulling for the guy. I see improvement in his recent bp swing.

But man.....he is a lot different than the high level mlb pattern.

That is a Little League swing being performed by a great athlete.

I've never seen a mlb hitter do what he does.

This does not even begin to compare to the 2 hitters I mentioned that hit AT extension.

Bust him hard in off the plate. Then fastballs low and away. Sliders away.

Change up should give him REAL trouble.

6-3's and 4-3's and flares to left field all day long.

Ankiel seems to be a great aquisation for the cards.

quote:

Originally posted by Chameleon:
Whoooaaa,

Ya think one is quicker than the other?

Holy Cow, I didn't expect it to be this bad.



ncball,

C'mon....show us something. Tell us what you see?

Are these the same? Similar?

Do they both "have it" like ALL mlb players..... according to you?

90 K's, 25 BB's, 104 hits, .314 onbase in AAA to go with those 32 HR's, 89 rbi's, and .267 BA.

Can even YOU see why?

lol

Don't get me wrong. I am pulling for the guy. I see improvement in his recent bp swing.

But man.....he is a lot different than the high level mlb pattern.

I would say he got fooled on a pitch up in the zone. Let's see 5 or 6 swings in a row during same or consecutive at bats. He appears to be way out in front on this swing.

Not a bad day today for someone that can't hit in the majors or at least has a "Little League Swing." 7 RBIs and 2 homers. Currently hitting over .350 and 23 RBIs total in a very short amount of time.

One of the best "Feel Good Stories" in MLB this season.

I find it amazing how a cyberspace guru can criticize a MLB hitter, any MLB hitter for that matter, when the guru only works in his garage and in cyberspace


Amazing how brilliant the guys who don't teach hitting in college or the pros think they are


Funny stuff but it only happens in cyberspace


great world is the cyberspace world

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My guess is he's "tweening". He's in the process of changing his swing...as shown by the recent bp swing...it's much different than the other two...much better...and he probably reverts back and forth between them if his cocentration level drops or on certain pitch locations. It's not easy making a change at that level.

Here is what Chameleon actually said.......

Quite a difference from what TRhit represented....

any more videos of his swings in recent games? Can't imagine their as ugly as the one posted earlier.

As a Cardinal fan, I hope his streak continues. I would agree that any MLB hitter is still a work in progress. I do believe that they change on their own terms. I know that when I was able to sit in on some hitting work with Edmonds a few years back, he was really a student. He asked so many questions and wanted every facet critiqued. Now that was when he came over from the Angels and so, perhaps he has changed. I'd expect Ankiel to be much the same. I do clearly believe and agree with TR that these hitters have reached the apex of the game and so, who am I to critique them. Do I see things I'd change if I were the hitting coach? You bet. However, and perhaps this goes back to the question of do you change them when they are being so successful. I'd guess ONLY IF THEY ASK!

Chameleon was speaking, I believe, on his perspective of "long term." I'd get my crystal ball out and look.

Swing may be ugly , but so far it sure can cook.

well, that's my point. We're sitting here critiquing one swing in one video. Every hitter gets fooled, swings ugly at some point. I haven't watched him at all. This one swing we're looking at, is it representative of a large percentage of his swings?

I've seen a few of Ankiels HRs, oddly enough he seems to hit the outside pitch and pull it out of the park. He just reaches out and hits it a long ways rather than rolling over and hitting a weak ground ball. I'm not sure how he does that, but it sure is amazing. And I bet Cardinal fans are loving it.

Has anyone who follows it closer than I do seen how he handles the inside part of the plate?

What an amazing athlete. There is video of his 3 hits and 7 RBI and great catch on MLB.com right now.
MLB.com

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The heart and drive and determination thing is something that no video analysis in the world will ever be able to capture. IMO.

Result's,
That it what matter's.
How it happens??
Who's care's.

Although,
I think it had something to do with the Bat behind the Back Drill. LOL
EH

Its,

Both are impressive, but I think there are more people with his heart and drive than who have his ability.

If he was back in the Big Leagues "pitching" I might lean more towards heart and drive.

No matter, this is an amazing story. But if anyone has a skeptical outlook, it must be remembered that he also started out as an amazing pitcher as a rookie. For a short time he was about as good as any pitcher in baseball. Hope that doesn't happen this time around.