CoachB25: My whole point was for Quincy to back up his "theory" with some kind of evidence, whether that be who he's worked with or video tape. He throw out baseless facts and does not support them. I am sure many people on here have worked with many great players and that was not my point. I just don't like baseless arguments because I feel when you teach a player how to hit, you need to be able to explain WHY things work how they do.

Thanks for your input though, my comments were not meant maliciously, just trying to see facts.

INshocker, I've sent you a pm. Being new, I don't know if you have pmed anyone and so, there will be an envelope show up at the top of the page. Click on it and it will take you to the private messages portion of this site.

Take care,

Darrell

You know... I like Quincy and he does have a lot of good things to say. However this thread started with someone asking if he had a good swing. Quincy posted this reply...

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It looks like your sequence is shift, hip turn and swing.

What you want is shift, swing and then hip turn.

I would strongly disagree with that advice! And it would be darn near impossible! It leaves no possibility of seperation (stretch) let alone, ability to adjust to different pitches. I don't think we have to get nasty, but there is nothing wrong with someone disagreeing with what they perceive to be incorrect. Not if there is an interest in helping others.

I too would like to see a video of a good hitter where the hands are ahead of the hips. Sorry!

Whether we agree or disagree is not the issue.

I offerred a suggestion for the batter to try that has been successful for myself and others.

If he tries it and either accepts it or rejects it is really of no importance.

If he gets good results, better for him. If not little is lost in the attempt.

I think what we want to see is proof of the success. We have supplied proof of our way (Pujols, DiMaggio), we would just like you to provide proof of someone hitting with their hands in front of their hips.

Proof is meaningless.

If I say that I spoke with kids and they then went on to set a new school home run record, did I hit any home runs?

If I offer that a hitter should keep his weight back, or extend his arms further into the swing or complete his follow through and that leads to success, did I hit any balls?

If I offer that a batter should hold the bat higher to have a greater range of motion and that eliminates strike outs and leads to a higher average, did I hold a bat?

What is proof if a batter uses one scintilla of a suggestion?

In other words there are NO videos of good hitters hitting with their hands before their hips? The proof the batter uses your suggestion comes from the video of his hands leading his hips. I have proof of hitters hitting the way I have described.

Here is some really good info but a horrible video,kinda hard to follow but good info none the less.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi8xOprdLqo

INshocker is completely right, There is no way that you can lead with your hands and be able to hit the ball as hard as if you let your hips fly first... you may think that you're letting your hands go first, but it is almost impossible to be successful while doing that. Sorry

In the video above it shows linking the hands and the hips. If the hands are not linked with the hip, how do the hands link up? For some hitters the hands need to get going first just to the point of linking up with the hips. I agree with those above, that the hands can not get out in front of the hips and have an effective swing.

There is an obvious difference between 'hips opening' with the stride/weight shift and 'hip turn' in the swing.

With every stride/weight shift, the 'hips open' or direct the shoulders to the ball.

Only during a swing is 'hip turn' employed.

Many young hitters do not use 'hip turn' in their swings. This in my view comes as the result of excessive reliance on hitting off a Tee.

Hard to make a judgement on 2 swings. However, the person taping said it was good... I saw you step on the plate and you looked very off balanced. I hate batting cages. I tend to make mistakes when I use them... trying to time the machine or the arm which is slinging rubber balls.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/30864159@N04/2890545235/

can i jump in?

My son in freshman fall league.

One cannot give a credible opinion on his swing from the two stills.

While his contact and followthrough are nice, a video would provide a better view of how he got there.

If you have a video, start a new topic so that it will be more visible.

Q-

U r nuts.

Hands start swing?

Why would you start anything with the weakest, smallest muscles....??? do you know any equation for energy, power, work, force

And I am sure that when InShock was speaking of hips, he was talking about the muscles that act oin the hips... we all know bone can't do a thing with out some muscles, ligaments and tendons...

JMO

BTW-
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