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AB .. ? Alex Benitez, huh, Albert Buhos, uhh, Brad Ausmus.. no that's backwards, uhh, A. J. Burnette... no he's current, uhh, uhhh


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Thanks fellas, going to be for now. Over 1,000 professional hits by the way, not major league ones. I wish I had that many up there. Good night gentlemen.
 
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I'm happy he's here also.


And, it has nothing to do with his 1000 hits. Congratulations.

It has everything to do with him getting those 1000 hits and not knowing how he got them.

A perfect example of a guy who learned to do, yet can't tell anyone how he does it.

He says posture isn't a main ingredient. Well, that's typically said by people who already have good posture and take it for granted. By taking it for granted I mean, his instruction will assume all have it because he had it. Not so.

Posture ranks in the top 3 if not #1 in why young kids can not hit.
 
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Linear, --- --- -- --- I figured out who he is and he was an awesome player and obviously knows more than you ever will.


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Paul,

I said….

its,

I gotta be honest with you. I don't agree with everything Linear says. I don't like the fact that he gets a bit personal with cutting remarks in his replies.

I tend to like everyone, but sooner or later we have to recognize what's going on. Linear IS NOT the only one making the cutting remarks! I know because I read a lot of what's written!

You said….

You are kidding right?

Would you like me to put his drug reference back in the post? You think that is appropriate and should remain?

I am out. You can do it. And I promise - I wont criticize your judgement.

Good luck.

Its,

I’m truly amazed! You took my post personally? If so I apologize.

My point was not about whether you deleted anything, in fact, I didn’t even know you deleted anything. I sure wasn't sticking up for anyone. I certainly have no problem with moderators deleting whatever they think is deserving.

My point was that there are others who play the same game as Linear, who are not reprimanded!

I don’t really care about any of this, so I should have just shut up! Sorry if this upset you, it wasn’t meant to.

I sure don’t want to be a moderator and appreciate the job you and others do, but is this all it takes for you to quit? Somehow I thought you were a bit tougher than that. In fact, I'm almost certain that you are. Please accept my apology if you feel I was unreasonable. I have no interest in making enemies out of those I consider friends.
 
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You fraternity brothers are real close aren't you.
 
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Linear, --- --- -- --- I figured out who he is and he was an awesome player and obviously knows more than you ever will.


I know who he is and have never heard of him.

I won't take anything away from his playing experience.

Just wonder why only 14 of those hits were in mlb.

Maybe if he understood posture and how the body finds the proper swing plane it would've made a difference. Maybe not.

For sure he wouldn't learn what he needs to learn from mlb instruction.

Survival of the fittest. Figure it out on your own or........next.
 
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Jerry,

Your apology is not necessary. Like you - I care alot about this site.

I am trying very hard to be fair - and to avoid deleting anything. At first I was giving warnings - I am not going to do that anymore.

If someone posts something vulgar, obscene (in all senses of that word) - or disparages someone's race, ethnicity, age, *** or religion - I am going to wipe them out.

I dont care who it is. Period. And I dont care what they think.

If I have missed something - please bring it to my attention so I can address it.

We are friends. No need to apologize.

Smile


You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton, Ball Four, 1970

 
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Shep,

I believe it is Andy.

Wink


You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton, Ball Four, 1970

 
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Back to hitting. I asked the question awhile back about Pujols and his hands. Linear had heard Pujols talk about the hands. My question was... was he talking about the hands at the beginning or at contact? I'm not sure Linear answered, but swingbuster mentioned something about Pujols talking about the hands relating to the load or something like that.

The reason for my question was... I've heard many hitters talk about their hands, but not often about the hands in the beginning or load of their swing. (That's the easy part to master) They usually are talking about getting their hands to the right spot at contact. (That's the hard part to master)

Let's face it, the hands must go to the right spot at contact... This to me is hitting with your hands! No matter whose method or rules you want to listen to. All methods still require the hands to be in the best position at contact whether they get there by posture or they get there by other means.

We all know that hand position has to adjust (somehow) depending on the location of the pitch! This to me, is taking your hands to the ball, even if your not really taking your hands to the ball. I believe there are hitters who simply think and hit with their hands and this causes their body to adjust and do the right things. The things that others study film and try to determine how these things happen. The video does not show the hitters thought process, just the results of that thought process.
 
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Thanks Paul!

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Agreed, lets get back to hitting.

Excellent point PG about the hands.

Have heard some say here the hands are not important, I beg to differ and believe the hands are vital components of the advanced hitter.

Hands control the hand-eye coordination, and plane of the bat, as well as, the position of the bat at the point of contact.

Hands pull the lumber in on the middle-in pitches, and take the barrel out to the ball, on the outside pitches.

AB mentioned, a great analogy in earlier post when he talked about the impression that should be found on the end of the bat if the barrel glowed. Which would be a half-moon. This is the lift we see as scouts so many times in the prospects swings we write in reports, day in and day out. Great analogy AB and good way to explain not hitting too many ground balls. peace shep
 
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Put your hands at the arm pit. Load the scap. Your rear hand/arm now resembles a boxer about to punch. Do this dynamically as you load your pelvis and then swing with connection. At first, you'll feel the hands "locked" there by the connection and rotation. Shortly thereafter, the rotation is such that it trys to force the hands to move forward. The degree they move is how much you let them move. And, you let them move according to the pitch location (inside, middle, outside). There is very little hand adjustment for up and down locations. The posture adjustments are for that.

As a famous guru's now famous student says....you've got to make the body and the bat be one unit. Everything works together as one.

Become one, you will reach your genetic success. Staying as two or more......the men's league is your limit.
 
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I would love to hear more about keeping the bat in the hitting zone longer.
That is - practice techniques that help a young player do this.


You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton, Ball Four, 1970

 
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Linear & Board,

As long as the integrity of the rotation of the lower body has not changed, and remains the dominant factor in swing stages, the arms can, "very slightly", get out of the box of the circular path on middle-out pitches. They have to...you are right. The brain has already committed to the swing while the bat is still adjusting to the movement of the pitch. An example would be a pitch such as a slider, moving away from the batter. It could also be a cutter that would cause a hitter to extend a little further than the idealistic position at contact. This could happen on any effective pitch moving sharply away from the hitter, during the last ten feet or so, right at the plate(late movement).

You still hold the key about the importance of the middle in the unlocking processes involved with larger muscle groups. No doubt about it, you are right about that, forever and ever, amen. Of course, that comes after the coil, in the uncoiling phase of the swing. The hips are so important!!!

Think about this compared to this thread's topic, Short to zone...High finish. Looking at some film of a young LHH here in FL earlier today, I saw a perfect example of this type of high finish. This prospect is an incredible, pure-power hitter.

Short to zone...long through zone could dictate a high finish, if the shoulder plane matches the swing plane. Most high finishes I see are due to letting go of the bat with the top hand in the finish causing an "acceleration increase" taking the bat up high, do to the momentum created in the force created by the released hand. We were just talking about Brad Komminsk(sp) being a good example of this type of finish. Komminsk never really made a "big splash" in the show but had a high level of success in AA and AAA with this technique. peace shep
 
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You still hold the key about the importance of the middle in the unlocking processes involved with larger muscle groups. No doubt about it, you are right about that forever and ever amen.



And, you can not properly use your middle if you're thinking hands. Or, if you don't understand the significance of posture. Thinking hands will not allow you to become one with the bat. Thinking hands will force you to go to the ball with the hands.......Now how do you adjust?

If you have good posture, good connection, good rotation you can get to many pitches without any independent hand movement. This allows you to start later.....get a better look.

If you're handsy at the beginning of the swing, how are you going to adjust?
 
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You gotta remember this too linear: each hitter is different and all can't stand right on top of the plate like Barry Bonds and swing a 33 inch bat.

BB is unique and special in his style. Just like Tony Gwynn, unique and special.

Shep
 
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Look at it this way if you will>

The bat is an extension of the arms, therefore can be considered a lever of sorts that only has about 5-7inches of sweet spot.

The arms have to manipulate and make adjustments of this lever according to the location of the pitch.

The clips shared with us the other night by BBscout on Henry Aaron were excellent examples of what I'm speaking of here.

AB provided us a profound answer from much experience that I understood perfectly and made sense about guessing or looking for pitch location.

AB was a student from experience, could tell by his answer. He answered very wisely and demonstrated high aptitude of hitting knowledge.

peace
shep
 
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BB

Earlier in BB's career he did swing 33 and if you will notice in film clip you just shared with us, he kinda muscles the ball out of park and hits a little to close to trademark than my liking. I know Gwynn definitely used a 33 inch bat and even a 32 but would not recommend it to be used by HS prospects here. The advanced guys can get away with standing on top of the plate if their quick enough and strong enough to muscle the ball in rotational power swing.

Shep
 
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Doug,

That pitcher looks familiar.
 
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