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Originally posted by BornAgain:

Hiddengem used the word 'bypass'...as in...the hands bypass the shoulders to describe what Yeager told him. It is my understanding that Yeager used that word.

Here is what HG posted.

"His bat is always excellerating very quickly through contact. You can clearly see his top hand fly passed the bottom into contact and you can also see the shoulders decelerate and the hands and arms fly passed. I certainly don't see the lead shoulder pulling the bat into contact."

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To say that what Yeager is saying is the same as the stuff from HI is, IMO either ignorance or intentional deception.

You always thought you were smarter than others....

Too bad, you aren't.....If you were, we could learn from you.......

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BTW what does bypass have to do with anything, even if HG used the term.

Read the next post........

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What Yeager is saying and HG is talking about is at the end of the swing, into impact. NOT dicks' swivel/hand torque, snap the pole b.s. YOU KNOW THAT. You just can't be honest about anything that relates to your boy, richard.

You really don't understand Yeager, or Richard at all....The deal is, you don't want to or you can't admit it.......

dog,

I was being too kind. It's really not a choice. You are being intentionally deceptive.

You've never answered any question that I've asked that I can remeber. Here's your chance to show your not being intentionally dishonest.

Please tell me what Yeager says that you believe indicates the seconf engine or torque or swivel or any of the other little buzz words that your boy the shop keep is so fond of.

Please explain EXACTLY where you see the similarity. If you don't, I will just assume like always that you just want to pretend you know something when you don't.

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Originally posted by BlueDog:

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What Yeager is saying and HG is talking about is at the end of the swing, into impact. NOT dicks' swivel/hand torque, snap the pole b.s. YOU KNOW THAT. You just can't be honest about anything that relates to your boy, richard.

You really don't understand Yeager, or Richard at all....The deal is, you don't want to or you can't admit it.......

doggie,

Actually, I've tried very hard to understand richard for a long time. Quite frankly, I've given up on tom g. Anyway, after reading the recent threads on BBF I've come to suspect that I may actually understand richard's bypass thing now (that is assuming that the posters on BBF are correct in their assumption of what richard said) If that's the case, then he is truly one of the worlds poorest communicators. If, what he has called bypassing the shoulders is nothing more than the shoulders accelerating (as they must) and then decelerating as the arms/hands continue to accelerate (as per the kinetic chain principle) then he must truly be a simpleton.

I don't know anyone outside of a few HI patrons who don't seem to readily understand the kinetic chain and it's implications for hitting. That is the ABSOLUTE PRIMARY thing that Yeager teaches. If richard is talking about the same thing, then his understanding of the concept must be non-existant becasue he had to resort to making up new buzz words for something that everyone already knew and, in the process, confusing the issue so that no one undestood it.

What do you think bdog? Is that what richard is talking about? If so, why all the mumbo jumbo, look what I discovered? You seem to be very knowledgeable about richard and his stuff. What's your opinion?

If I may interject Shawn---it is more words than substance

I'll weigh in on this with some other thoughts. Some thoughts about posts on various sites and this site within the last week. BTW, I don't have to be right and so, the comments I'll add later are just my observations.

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dog,

I was being too kind. It's really not a choice. You are being intentionally deceptive.

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...after reading the recent threads on BBF I've come to suspect that I may actually understand richard's bypass thing now

IF the first quote is true, then the second quote is also true.....

IF the first quote is not true, then the second quote is also not true....

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Originally posted by BlueDog:

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dog,

I was being too kind. It's really not a choice. You are being intentionally deceptive.

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...after reading the recent threads on BBF I've come to suspect that I may actually understand richard's bypass thing now

IF the first quote is true, then the second quote is also true.....

IF the first quote is not true, then the second quote is also not true....

Forget it. It was stupid of me to ask a question expecting an answer from you. I'd rather you ignore the question like usual than your silly riddles.

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"I certainly don't see the lead shoulder pulling the bat into contact."

Hiddengem says he doesn't see the lead shoulder pulling the bat into contact, so what does he see???

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Originally posted by BlueDog:

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"I certainly don't see the lead shoulder pulling the bat into contact."

Hiddengem says he doesn't see the lead shoulder pulling the bat into contact, so what is happening???

What part of the kinetic chain do you not understand. The lead shoulder does start the arms and hands moving, but the shoulder rotation has decellerated somewhat prior to contact and thats' when the arms and hands pass the shoulders. That is what Yeager says.

You really don't understand what he's is saying, do you?

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Originally posted by ShawnLee:
What Yeager is saying and HG is talking about is at the end of the swing, into impact.


This is correct.

No, it's not correct.......

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The lead shoulder does start the arms and hands moving,.....

So you say...

I say, it doesn't...

You do not understand the shoulders getting bypassed.....You just think you do....

Your reluctance to listen to Tom is your downfall.......

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What part of the kinetic chain do you not understand. The lead shoulder does start the arms and hands moving, but the shoulder rotation has decellerated somewhat prior to contact and thats' when the arms and hands pass the shoulders. That is what Yeager says.

What is the reason for the split grip, then?

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Originally posted by BlueDog:

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The lead shoulder does start the arms and hands moving,.....

So you say...

I say, it doesn't...

You do not understand the shoulders getting bypassed.....You just think you do....

Your reluctance to listen to Tom is your downfall.......

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What part of the kinetic chain do you not understand. The lead shoulder does start the arms and hands moving, but the shoulder rotation has decellerated somewhat prior to contact and thats' when the arms and hands pass the shoulders. That is what Yeager says.

What is the reason for the split grip, then?

You know, you make less sense than tom. And, the reason I don't understnd the bypass is becasue its nonsense made up by a pool hall owner with an ax to grind.

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Originally posted by BlueDog:

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The lead shoulder does start the arms and hands moving,.....

So you say...

I say, it doesn't...

You do not understand the shoulders getting bypassed.....You just think you do....

Your reluctance to listen to Tom is your downfall.......

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What part of the kinetic chain do you not understand. The lead shoulder does start the arms and hands moving, but the shoulder rotation has decellerated somewhat prior to contact and thats' when the arms and hands pass the shoulders. That is what Yeager says.

What is the reason for the split grip, then?

bluedog, I give up. Please though, tell me how richards student hit this season with the swivel, torque, second engine, ride the back leg etc........ Oh, that's right, he says his students swing is rusty for the beer league becasue he was pitching all spring. Must have been TWO very long innings to last all spring.

If you're so curious, then why don't you ask him?

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And, the reason I don't understnd the bypass is becasue its nonsense made up by a pool hall owner with an ax to grind.

Sounds like to me you're the one with an axe to grind........You're the one following him around....

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Originally posted by BlueDog:
If you're so curious, then why don't you ask him?

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And, the reason I don't understnd the bypass is becasue its nonsense made up by a pool hall owner with an ax to grind.

Sounds like to me you're the one with an axe to grind........You're the one following him around....

dog,

you can't go to a forum where some fool isn't posting on richard's behalf. Of course they have to because he's been booted off every forum but his own.

You have yet to answer any question on here with anythign but a riddle so I'm sure I'm wasting my time, but please tell me how the bat starts moving if not initially pulled by the shoulders. Disregard how far the shoulders rotate or if they are just along for a ride with the hips, but please tell me what moves the bat forward if it is not the linkage between the shoulder. arms and hands.

Please answer that one question in some detail so even i might be able to understand.

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dog,

you can't go to a forum where some fool isn't posting on richard's behalf.

Whatsamatter, nobody will talk to you over at BBF?

I'm really tired now. The kid has played all day from 9 this morning until just about an hour ago. I do intend to make another post here on observations but they won't be tonight. Nor tomorrow morning. Church!

Could I ask that we leave Richard out of any discussion here? I think we can all make our points given various topics without doing so. Of course I'd like to start a verse of kum-ba-ya but...

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Originally posted by CoachB25:
I'm really tired now. The kid has played all day from 9 this morning until just about an hour ago. I do intend to make another post here on observations but they won't be tonight. Nor tomorrow morning. Church!

Could I ask that we leave Richard out of any discussion here? I think we can all make our points given various topics without doing so. Of course I'd like to start a verse of kum-ba-ya but...

Blue dog,

Just like always. You won't answer a simple question. You are a master at changing the subject. Please answer the question. In case you've forgotten already, this is the question

"please tell me how the bat starts moving if not initially pulled by the shoulders. Disregard how far the shoulders rotate or if they are just along for a ride with the hips, but please tell me what moves the bat forward if it is not the linkage between the shoulder. arms and hands.
Please don't change the subject, just answer that question.