Wayback and others, have you seen this?....

http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=78819

Hiddengem, a MLB player is validating Tom and Richard's arm action stuff......And, Swingbuilder's hips and hands stuff.....

Sounds like a good old fashioned weak front side.

Griffey learned from some of the best, all before Charlie Lau's swing changed most swings.

Good old fashioned baseball.

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Originally posted by BlueDog:
Wayback and others, have you seen this?....

http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=78819

Hiddengem, a MLB player is validating Tom and Richard's arm action stuff......And, Swingbuilder's hips and hands stuff.....

I intend to add something to that discussion at some point today. Hiddengem is currently in the minor leagues (AAA) and has had 6 MLB at bats from 2003 to the present if I have my info correct. He is one of the few to hit a HR on his very first MLB at bat. I just wanted to clarify that he is not in MLB currently or is not listed on their roster as of this morning.

Hiddengem is definitely an elite baseball player....

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Originally posted by BlueDog:
Hiddengem is definitely an elite baseball player....

Bluedog, he certainly has made it further than I have. I'm not questioning his abilities but did want to point out that he is still attempting to make it and stick in the majors. We (family) are going to a Kansas City v St. Louis game this Thursday and I had hoped that he would have been up with the big club so that I could introduce myself to him. Now, no hiddengem and no PUJOS. Still, it'll be our annual MLB game. I'm not big on traffic and so, we don't cross the river much even though St. Louis is 20 miles away.

Take care.

Hiddengem sure doesn't have anything good to say about Steve's hitting stuff.....

He does say Yeager's hitting stuff is working well for him, though......

From what I think I understand about both, Yeager's teaching is a reversal in arm and hand action from Steve's teaching.....

Hiddengem benefited from Yeagers description of how the hands and arms are used in the high level swing.

A 'snap back of the lead arm' accompanied by a 3/4 motion 'throw' of the top hand around the lead hand which becomes a pivot point that has stopped. (in relation to the body)

Good stuff.

The Second Engine described with different words.

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The Second Engine described with different words.

That's exactly what I thought when I read what Hiddengem said.....

Hiddengem said this arm action is what he felt after Yeager worked with him......He said he couldn't duplicate this arm action until Yeager taught him how....

Yes, really good stuff....

blue,

as usual your trying to shill for your buddy, richard. Won't work. What Yeager is saying and HG is talking about is at the end of the swing, into impact. NOT dicks' swivel/hand torque, snap the pole b.s. YOU KNOW THAT. You just can't be honest about anything that relates to your boy, richard.

One other thing blue. Please have richard post another snap the pole clip on the eteamz (that is the only forum where he can post, isn't it) I mean except his own. If he can't put a snap the pole up, how about the hitting the rafters thing. I need a good laugh.

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Originally posted by ShawnLee:
blue,
What Yeager is saying and HG is talking about is at the end of the swing, into impact. NOT dicks' swivel/hand torque, snap the pole b.s.

This is what I understood as well. However, I don't have access to HG like members of HI. Also, the arm action in the provided clip of Griffey is from a home run hitting contest. Several members have questioned whether the swing from a HR contest is a duplication of their "game swing." Finally, I wouldn't assert that Griffey's lead arm action is typical of most MLB players. He has it straighter than most in the provided video.

For Comparison:

CoachB25,

You are exactly right. I don't consider myself to be an expert on Yeager, but I do have his dvds and have reviewed them a number of times. He never mentions anything remotely similar to THT, Swivel etc. NOTHING. He does reference slotting the back elbow early in the sequence. His only reference to hand action is creating a sudden change of direction just before contact in, I believe much the same way that Mankin suggests.

To say that what Yeager is saying is the same as the stuff from HI is, IMO either ignorance or intentional deception. Not really much gray area here. I haven't seen anything from Hidden Gem where he implys that he thinks it is the same stuff either.

Wonder who BornAgain is?

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Originally posted by ShawnLee:
He does reference slotting the back elbow early in the sequence. His only reference to hand action is creating a sudden change of direction just before contact in, I believe much the same way that Mankin suggests.

Mankin, Englishbey, *****, Peavy all address this action in some form or phrase. Therefore, this is nothing new. However, as we all know how one describes or demonstrates any given action will make a lot of sense to some while not to others.

Coach,

I don't really know much about Peavey. I know that SE and N addressed it to some extent, but I thought that Mankin and Yeager advised a more "active" approach to achieving whip. Please give me your input as I may not have fully understood what I read at N's site.

Either way, none of that has anything to do with what richard, and by extension blue dog is saying. I guess if we have doubts we could ask born again. He seems to be very close to the HI action.

PM sent. For the sake of diffusing any potential p-ing contest here, I won't/can't speak for SE. However, he does address this action on his website in his video library. ShawnLee asked me to give input on what was read on N's site. I simply can't since I've never been a member of that site.

One last thought, it'd be great to have these conversations/discussions and leave personalities out of it. Rather, address the video, what you see or don't see and then agree to disagree. I believe this can be done but will it?

The timing of the 'snap back' of the lead arm and the 'throw of the top hand' IN RELATION TO THE SHOULDER'S ACTION is causing some to misinterpret what is being said.

That does happen at "go".

Many of you don't understand how 'go' is that late.

Others of course....don't believe in 'go'.

Hiddengem used the word 'bypass'...as in...the hands bypass the shoulders to describe what Yeager told him. It is my understanding that Yeager used that word.

And....he used the Griffey clip to demonstrate the bypass. If you look through truth seeking glasses you can see it.

And not just in Griffey

Not according to Yeager. Not unless your "go" is way past everyone elses.

BTW what does bypass have to do with anything, even if HG used the term.

Tell us where you believe the 'go' move is in this swing.

The point of no return.

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Originally posted by ShawnLee:
What Yeager is saying and HG is talking about is at the end of the swing, into impact.

This is correct.