Hey:

Check out the link below --- excellent advice for parents regarding pitch counts and pre high school pitchers.

http://clubhousegas.com/archive_player_prog.asp?id=160

Good Info. but I believe Mike Ballard and Mike Kamrath had arm surgery. Good information though.

The pitch count discussion is good, until they start talking about 12 year olds throwing curves.

However, the drill that Coach Kuhn demonstrates after the pitch count discussion is terrific. I've seen Kuhn demonstrate this before and it really makes sense. Especially the part about Mom's recognizing when their player's mechanics are going to H*ll.

Should this thread be sent to pitching or general forum as well? I don't know how to do it, or I would.

BB8888,

Kuhn mentions the "16 years at UVA" and that makes it sound like he's been at UVA all 16 years. Actually he got to UVA when O'Connor got there, what, 4 seasons ago? I am not sure where he was before that. Anyway, I think Kamrath and Ballard were hurt before Kuhn arrived, in all fairness.

There have been UVA guys to encounter arm trouble since then, though, albeit not to the extent of needing surgery. Yet. Not a criticism of Kuhn, but it'll happen in due time. There is no magic bullet.

And, it bears mention that in the heat of battle, some of those iron laws get bent a bit. They are more guidelines than hard and fast rules. But again, that's not an indictment of them any more than any other program that would do the same things.

To add to Midlo Dad's post...

Coach Kuhn before UVA... now starting 5th year

University of Arkansas at Little Rock - 7 yrs. P/C
Charleston Southern, SC - 3 yrs. P/C
Buchholz HS, Gainesville, FL - 2 yrs. P/C

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Originally posted by MWR-VA:
Coach Kuhn before UVA... now starting 5th year
University of Arkansas at Little Rock - 7 yrs. P/C
Charleston Southern, SC - 3 yrs. P/C
Buchholz HS, Gainesville, FL - 2 yrs. P/C

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Kuhn (an Assistant Coach....maybe #3 or #4 guy) does spin it a bit, don't you think?

However, to imply that he's been around 16 years (and at UVA at that) is way too much rotation.
And then to simply and emphatically say there has been zero arm injury (implying in 16 years at UVA) the gyro nearly broke (probably similar to the Intel Satellite out of control).

Yet, Kuhn may be a bit of a new Dad to understand the arm injury debate.

And one that's gone on for years and years:

Whose watch did get hurt on
vs

He was injured when we got him.

Let's put a marker on a few names in addition to both of the Mike's mentioned above.

But before that can of worms is opened, I was trying to think about the arms from UVA that have big league experience.

More recently (maybe in the last 15-20 years) try:

Daneker (Pa kid - 1 good year),
Greisinger (most well known young hot prospect),
Johns (goes back to mid 90's),
Lankford (briefly),
Horton (very good pro career)
Malloy (briefly)
Lopez (active)

Other than a sprinkle or two (before 1900!), I don't think there was any pitcher from UVA in 50's, 60's, or 1970's in the bigs.

And maybe only Bill Harman in the early 1940's, Buck Rogers (in the mid 1930's), (ok Eppa Rixley pitched forever in the NL for Phil & Cin) and maybe Holland (briefly in the 1920's)

(Hope I did not miss anyone)

To settle up on some of the arms injury's at or after UVA, some may want to re-consider:


Seth Gresinger.
Top shelf guy and supurb collegiate career.
TJ injury, and Nearly right after UVA!
Lost years 91-01, and at 27 then,
no longer the hot young prospect
Who is covering?
UVA? Tigers? Twins? Korea? Japan?

Bob Malloy
Who is covering?
UVA? Rangers?


Alexander Shooter Starr
Labrum and elbow injury.
House (lol) rules pupil.
Only one to cover that. UVA!

And I think the only diamond in the ACC where I see House 'Towels' is at Davidson Field.


Should you want to check out young Kuhn's bio (and new papa in Aug 07) here's the URL
http://www.virginiasports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=88...134118&Q_SEASON=2007

And should this blog turn into a
Wahoo-wah, Wahoo-wah. Uni-V, Vir-gin-ia. Hoo-rah-ray, Hoo-rah-ray, Ray! Ray! UVA
then move it out of the MD forum (to VA forum, maybe?)!

cheers
Bear

Bear, im sorry but someone has got to tell you that none of that makes sense to anyone, but you.
You ramble on about stuff that is irrelevant to the video.

And are you saying that the towel drill is bad or do you not agree with House. I don't understand you.

Just another one of Bear's terrible posts.
From what I have observed Coach Kuhn has had some pretty good sucess with his pitchers at UVA in the last 6 years. I think that one of the best pitchers in college baseball currently resides in Davenport Field. But this is the same guy that last year tried to compare MD's program to UVA's program......which is totally laughable...and shows major ignorance....and all of this comes from a MD fan!!

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Originally posted by Terp_Pride:
Just another one of Bear's terrible posts.
From what I have observed Coach Kuhn has had some pretty good sucess with his pitchers at UVA in the last 6 years. I think that one of the best pitchers in college baseball currently resides in Davenport Field. But this is the same guy that last year tried to compare MD's program to UVA's program......which is totally laughable...and shows major ignorance....and all of this comes from a MD fan!!

Jacob Thompson -- 11-0 2007 ACC record -- ERA 1.87 -- right handed pitcher projected to go in the MLB first round -- top 10 overall picks.

Interesting --- the relationship between UVA and Maryland - most prep kids from Maryland have NOT been accepting offers from UofM and have ventured outside the State. With the recent acquisition of Coach Farr, Pitching Coach, (from William & Mary) that trend will change but it will take some time.

trepfan&terp-pride
Must differ with you on your point about md preps heading to md.No less then ten current players are md prepsters with two more just leaving one of them via 1st rd mlb draft.In addition fourteen members of 08 squad are from md public high schools.I also find your term laughable a bit mean spirited.

Terp Fan,

I wish as much as anybody that MD Baseball would get to the point where they can compete for ACC Titles. The reality though is the program is one of the worst in the ACC. I still don't think they are fully funded which makes it very tough to compete in the ACC. I am not sure that the right man is at the helm of the program either. That is just my view though, I could be wrong. I really respect Coach Farr, I think very highly of him. MD is getting kids from in state, but I think the top talent leaves the state or goes somewhere else to often. Wish that would change. GO TERPS

quote:

Originally posted by terpfan:
trepfan&terp-pride
Must differ with you on your point about md preps heading to md.No less then ten current players are md prepsters with two more just leaving one of them via 1st rd mlb draft.In addition fourteen members of 08 squad are from md public high schools.I also find your term laughable a bit mean spirited.

Terpfan - Trepfan is innocent and means litle harm.
Trepfan also likes Pabst (with me) and would also like Miller Lite (with you).

A HSBB webster just emailed me to let me know about another site feature, which appears invaluable (ie. 'ignore), since I have been told it's more than likely the mean spirited guy/gal is a long standing poster, who's son got cut a while back, (and that is the laughable part.)

Thanks for your support.

Bear -- Thank you -- your Pabst Beer reference brings to mind a true story -- when I was a kid I used to work in a deli in Baltimore City and Art Donovan (old Baltimore Colt/Hall of Fame) would come into the deli each Friday night and order a pound of salami, half of rye bread and a six pack of Schlitz Beer. --- and he gave me a $10 buck tip -- on a $7 tab.

quote:

Originally posted by Terp_Pride:
Terp Fan,

I wish as much as anybody that MD Baseball would get to the point where they can compete for ACC Titles. The reality though is the program is one of the worst in the ACC. I still don't think they are fully funded which makes it very tough to compete in the ACC. I am not sure that the right man is at the helm of the program either. That is just my view though, I could be wrong. I really respect Coach Farr, I think very highly of him. MD is getting kids from in state, but I think the top talent leaves the state or goes somewhere else to often. Wish that would change. GO TERPS

You are being too kind. It isn't one of the worst it is the worst. Md. is a team playing in the ACC. It is not an ACC quality team.

I also think to some extent they get good players but they don't know what to do with them. As far as recruiting goes they are just lazy. They could get more by just picking up the phone.

As far as fully funded goes - that isn't the problem. If South Carolina wasn't fully funded they would still get great players to go.

quote:

Originally posted by scout10:

quote:

Originally posted by Terp_Pride:
Terp Fan,

I wish as much as anybody that MD Baseball would get to the point where they can compete for ACC Titles. The reality though is the program is one of the worst in the ACC. I still don't think they are fully funded which makes it very tough to compete in the ACC. I am not sure that the right man is at the helm of the program either. That is just my view though, I could be wrong. I really respect Coach Farr, I think very highly of him. MD is getting kids from in state, but I think the top talent leaves the state or goes somewhere else to often. Wish that would change. GO TERPS

You are being too kind. It isn't one of the worst it is the worst. Md. is a team playing in the ACC. It is not an ACC quality team.

I also think to some extent they get good players but they don't know what to do with them. As far as recruiting goes they are just lazy. They could get more by just picking up the phone.

As far as fully funded goes - that isn't the problem. If South Carolina wasn't fully funded they would still get great players to go.

Totally agree with Scout10 -- having seen the Maryland program recruitment process first hand -- their facilities are below the ACC norm in terms of their stadium, seating and the field also -- they basically meet potential recruits in a trailer behind the left field fence. It is really a shame...and why did they offer the head coach a one year extension???? It makes no sense....The guy has limited communcation skills ----

I can tell you this about Maryland. They could've had Chris Briere (James River 2007), possessor of THE BEST CURVE BALL I HAVE EVER SEEN IN ANY AMATEUR PITCHER, 86-88 mph fastball and projectable into the 90's, for the asking.

They muffed it. Dithered and dallied and never made an offer. Briere ended up at Longwood.

When we get to June, pull up Longwood's stats and tell me if you think maybe UMD should've gone after him a bit harder.

I also question their commitment to the Md. player. A large number of Maryland kids have gone elsewhere to play, and most were turned off or poorly recruited by their home state university. It would be interesting to see what the program could be if they could keep the best players in state.

quote:

Originally posted by deldad:
I also question their commitment to the Md. player. A large number of Maryland kids have gone elsewhere to play, and most were turned off or poorly recruited by their home state university. It would be interesting to see what the program could be if they could keep the best players in state.

1. Make Jim Farr the head coach next year and hire local high coaches as assistant coaches.

2. Fully fund the program.

3. Move the baseball stadium to the recently identified new site near the basketball arena.

quote:

Originally posted by scout10:

quote:

Originally posted by Terp_Pride:
Terp Fan,

I wish as much as anybody that MD Baseball would get to the point where they can compete for ACC Titles. The reality though is the program is one of the worst in the ACC. I still don't think they are fully funded which makes it very tough to compete in the ACC. I am not sure that the right man is at the helm of the program either. That is just my view though, I could be wrong. I really respect Coach Farr, I think very highly of him. MD is getting kids from in state, but I think the top talent leaves the state or goes somewhere else to often. Wish that would change. GO TERPS

You are being too kind. It isn't one of the worst it is the worst. Md. is a team playing in the ACC. It is not an ACC quality team.

I also think to some extent they get good players but they don't know what to do with them. As far as recruiting goes they are just lazy. They could get more by just picking up the phone.

As far as fully funded goes - that isn't the problem. If South Carolina wasn't fully funded they would still get great players to go.

Lazy with recruiting? If you only saw how all over the place Coach Farr was this summer. Your statement is dead wrong.

quote:

Originally posted by happyhourhero:

quote:

Originally posted by scout10:

quote:

Originally posted by Terp_Pride:
Terp Fan,

I wish as much as anybody that MD Baseball would get to the point where they can compete for ACC Titles. The reality though is the program is one of the worst in the ACC. I still don't think they are fully funded which makes it very tough to compete in the ACC. I am not sure that the right man is at the helm of the program either. That is just my view though, I could be wrong. I really respect Coach Farr, I think very highly of him. MD is getting kids from in state, but I think the top talent leaves the state or goes somewhere else to often. Wish that would change. GO TERPS

You are being too kind. It isn't one of the worst it is the worst. Md. is a team playing in the ACC. It is not an ACC quality team.

I also think to some extent they get good players but they don't know what to do with them. As far as recruiting goes they are just lazy. They could get more by just picking up the phone.

As far as fully funded goes - that isn't the problem. If South Carolina wasn't fully funded they would still get great players to go.

Lazy with recruiting? If you only saw how all over the place Coach Farr was this summer. Your statement is dead wrong.

Its not the point of being around the area to recruit they don't recognize talent. I don't know about Farr bt Rupp is the problem. If your not 6ft 3 or better he doesen't take an interest. They do have talent on the team. Rupp worries to mch about size and not heart and talent.