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quote: Originally posted by PGStaff:
I imagine you mean the Enrique Garcia who pitches at Miami.
So where do you imagine a Brew Crew 1st rounder Evan Frederickson, local arm from Oakton HS in Vienna VA, who transferred from Va Tech after two years? |
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| Posts: 1521 | Location: Fairland, Maryland USA | Registered: December 26, 2002 | |
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quote: Originally posted by deldad:
That there is even a discussion about whether the Terps are the best baseball in the state of Maryland is an indictment of the program in College Park. Being the only BCS conference school in the state, playing in the prestigious ACC, and having the history that Bear alledges, should make Terpville the place to be for all the best recruits in the state of Maryland. But year after year, the best in Maryland flood to other schools, many of them in the ACC. The fact that Towson even draws comparisons by anyone, should be an embarrassment.
Really does it matter who played for the Terps and then went pro in the 70's? How does that help the Terps win games this year. History is a wonderful thing but it is just that, history.
Bear, Kevin Hart plays for the CHICAGO CUBS, not the White Sox. Yes it is a big deal here in the windy city.
Old fox-as for the pope thing I believe that Bear pronounces it Sibboleth not Shibboleth
The best players from the Maryland/DC vicinity do not consider Universities/Colleges in Maryland -- look at the last senior class --- Sure ACC schools are chosen but they are located in Virginia, North and South Carolina and Flordia. -- Having recently been privy to the recruitment activities of schools in the ACC and SEC -- I can tell you that the percentage of scholorship and the total price tag are not usually the primary driver. It is the coaches, history of the institution (academically and baseball) and the facilities. Overall, Universities/colleges -- in Maryland (even Division I) are viewed by the top recruits as tier two at best. The University of Maryland baseball facilities and their financial support of the program have been sub standard. Nothing is significantly going to change until these two areas are addressed. ---- In the meantime, kids from Maryland will venture south and west --- |
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| Posts: 144 | Location: Maryland | Registered: November 12, 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by baseballguy:
Here's an updated list from the Perfect Game site showing where the 2008 grads went. While there are a few that do not list a college....I'm guessing they didn't end up in College Park. It's not like the talent in Maryland isn't decent with schools like UVa, Clemson, Coastal, Wake, Miss. State, and Notre Dame, ...along with Radford...picking up a number of the top players. Granted, getting Beck and Bennett is great for Maryland - they should contribute right away. The question is why so many of the top players choose to go elsewhere?
Perfect Games ranking of 2008 Grads from the state of Maryland:
1 45 Danny Hultzen LHP 6-0 180 L L St. Albans Bethesda MD Virginia
2 70 Scott Silverstein LHP 6-5 225 L L St. John's College Brookeville MD Virginia
3 72 LJ Hoes OF IF/P 6-0 190 R R St. John's Mitchellville MD North Carolina
4 75 Kevin Brady RHP 1B 6-3 195 L R Gaithersburg Montgomery Village MD Clemson
5 129 Tommy Winegardner SS RHP 5-11 175 S R Riverdale Baptist St. Leonard MD Coastal Carolina
6 306 Gabriel Feldman RHP 5-11 170 R R Walt Whitman Cabin John MD Wake Forest
7 448 Tyler Hibbs RHP SS 5-11 160 R R Arundel Odenton MD Tallahassee CC
8 497 Paul Devito LHP OF 6-2 165 R L Arch. Spalding Annapolis MD Radford
9 739 Nick Routt LHP 6-3 185 L L St. John's Silver Spring MD Mississippi State
10 830 Ryan Harris OF RHP 6-4 210 R R Bishop McNamara Clinton MD
11 856 Sander Beck MIF RHP 6-2 195 R R Severn Millersville MD Maryland
12 1004 Leighton Cooper OF 6-0 170 S R Flint Hill Fort Washington MD Notre Dame
13 1137 Carl Travers C MIF/P 5-11 165 R R Riverdale Baptist Huntingtown MD Radford
14 1145 Alex Frederick SS RHP 6-1 180 R R Dulaney cockeyville MD UNC-Greensboro
15 1193 Sean Thompson RHP 6-3 180 R R Bishop Curley Elkridge MD High Point
16 1224 Tyler Bennett C RHP 6-1 190 R R Colonel Richardson Federalsburg MD Maryland
17 1272 Austin Knight MIF 6-0 180 S R Boys Latin School Peisteistown MD
18 1443 Austin Poretz RHP IF 5-8 165 R R St.Mary's Lothian MD
19 1468 Nick Rivers C 1B 6-2 250 R R Dematha Laurel MD Delaware
20 1489 Jason Patten RHP OF 6-0 175 R R Spaulding Davidsonville MD Radford
21 1508 Matthew Markey RHP 3B 5-11 175 R R St Pauls School Kingsville MD
22 1525 Micheal Loeb RHP 6-2 185 R R St. Johns Gaithersburg MD Davidson
23 1575 Hugh Adams RHP 6-5 210 R R St. John's Bethesda MD Florida Atlantic
24 1685 Jeffrey Kemp IF 6-1 175 R R Archbishop Spalding Bowie MD Radford
25 1769 Brian Davila OF 3B 5-10 160 R R Howard Ellicott City MD Lafayette
26 1782 Josh Futter RHP 6-1 193 R R wilde lake columbia MD James Madison
27 1876 Matthew Mack 3B 1B 5-11 195 R R St. John's College Davidsonville MD Radford
28 1888 Jeff Flax MIF C 5-10 155 S R St. Johns North Potomac MD LaSalle
29 1918 William Jarboe RHP 1B 6-7 183 L R South River Davidsonville MD Patrick Henry CC
30 1928 Matthew Hillsinger OF 6-2 160 L R Bowie Bowie MD Radford
31 1961 Kieran Flannery C 3B/MIF/ 6-1 170 R R St. Vincent Pallotti Laurel MD
32 1965 Cory Beahm IF RHP 5-10 160 R R St. John's Burtonsville MD Hartford
33 2022 Kevin Johnson OF 6-1 175 R R Quince Orchard Gaithersburg MD
34 2043 Jason Allinder C OF 5-10 170 R R Snow Hill Pocomoke City MD Niagara
Regarding your reference to Maryland players picking Radford. A close look at the recruitment class shows the the Maryland kids were bunched from Saint Johns (Mack) and Spaulding (Devito, Kemp, Patten) High Schools -- The Radford coach has a good relationship with both of the HS coaches --- he was also interested in Routt and Flax but both had committed early to other schools. |
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| Posts: 144 | Location: Maryland | Registered: November 12, 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by baseball12532:
Why would a strong player seriously consider playing baseball in a cold weather state
Short Answer: To compete in the ACC. Longer Answer: To gain exposure as provided from competing in the ACC. Longest Answer: And just think, in the mid 60's-mid 70's, the herds of baseball talented Baltimore players flocked to College Park to compete at Shipley and win the Atlantic Coast Conference. Does this mean the talent in Baltimore is way down? Other: Who remembers when the Birds played at Shipley, the place was packed (5,000) and raised enough funds for three years? Coach Gottlieb and Coach Jankuska recently told me each of their programs are fully funded. Althetic Department at College Park fully funds all Women Sports! |
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| Posts: 1521 | Location: Fairland, Maryland USA | Registered: December 26, 2002 | |
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I agree that they have some decent players by Maryland Standards. Baseball is different the further you go south. Radford isn't a Big Division one school. The reason the coach is coming to Maryland other than having contacts in the state is becasue no blue chip players in the state of VA are going to Radford. I've seen some of the guys recruited on Radfords signing list. A couple of the players could stand out but most will be average or below to Division one standards. quote: Originally posted by baseballguy:
Without kowing the reasons why - and I am sure they are varied and many - I have to agree with Trepfan. In the '08 class of Perfect Games top 21 ranked prospects from the state of Maryland.....only 2 (both good ones, no doubt) ended up in College Park.
We'll see if the Terps fair any better with the '0I9s.....
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| Posts: 4 | Location: md | Registered: May 01, 2008 | |
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quote: Originally posted by baseball12532:
In other words, 11.7 in-state scholarships costs the school much less than 11.7 total scholarships, regardless of where the student-athlete is from.
RR Piper: Ouch (and Trepfan know jack!) BB...32: Office of the Bursar realigned accounting standards a decade or so ago. In-state dollars vs out of state dollars were normalized for budget purposes. The enablers for HS baseball players and the trend toward selection of 'regional' or state colleges include: - All DI Baseball practices and games begin same time. - NCAA Scholarhip Transformation - Reduced Roster size - No more 'just books' for athletic aid - Elimination of the 'Free Year' for transfers The top ten baseball programs probably will not be affected. (Although the Oregon State case vs the injured baseball player during football season who voluntarily turned back his baseball scholarship at the Baseball Program's request is NOT an isolated case.) Either will the bottom dwellers # 250 - 295. All others could be. It will be interesting to observe. Stay tuned |
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| Posts: 1521 | Location: Fairland, Maryland USA | Registered: December 26, 2002 | |
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quote: Originally posted by baseball12532:
Why would a strong player seriously consider playing baseball in a cold weather state ...
This is a question that I asked Kurt Seibert. Kurt was an assistant at Clemson for a while and he did a lot of recruiting for them. He said that he recruited position players from the southern states because they were more experienced from playing virtually year-round. He said that he looked for pitchers in cold weather states because he believed that their arms were fresher and had less wear and tear on them. Right or wrong, I thought it was an intersting perspective. I am disappointed that lacr*sse has become our new s*ccer in terms of pulling players away. In a lot of ways, I think that both sports have an attraction - particularly to younger players because it keeps them active and allows them do really mix it up for long periods of time. Kids hate baseball practices because the majority of coaches don't keep them moving and don't make it fun. Unless we teach the younger coaches how to do this, our sport is going to continue to be negatively impacted by this trend. Unfortunately experienced baseball coaches tend to treat their knowledge as having the secret keys to the kingdom and they rarely are interested in making younger coaches any better. It's a very short-sighted approach for sure. |
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| Posts: 140 | Location: Walkersville, Maryland, USA | Registered: March 17, 2004 | |
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While my son is still at least few years away, I think there may be some hope for the future. A few travel teams make regular trips down south and quite a few boys are starting to play in Virginia at younger ages. It was very clear that the kids down south were far ahead of our boys when we would play down there. The boys up here are just as athletic but they just play more down south. The travel ball is really ramping up with the U13 age groups. In the past teams from Maryland venture south only to get beat up in national AAU or Triple Crown tournaments. Only the U12 Maryland Predators have won any tournament down south recently at the younger ages and it was a silver bracket victory over some very good teams from NC and VA at Triple Crown World Series at Myrtle Beach. The other thing that I have observed is that down south the public supports their baseball much much better. Montgomery County could care less, with all their money, about the baseball fields. Some of the county fields that are nice like Damascus regional cost a fortune. Germantown has been running an early spring tournament and typical of Montgomery County, a little rain and they will not allow use of any of their fields so teams get upset and will not come back to support the tournament with all the cancelations. When you visit the indoor practice facilities in Virginia all you can do is be jealous. They have big contributors that love the kids and love the game so they put up big bucks to support their programs. I also echo that there has been a lot of poor coaching that has chased away a lot of talent that now plays one of those other two sports. Thankfully the coach my son plays for in Maryland runs a great practice. This fall my son is playing south for a great program. One of the first things his coach said is that we will go further south to play the best of the best like East Cobb Astros and Charlotte Megastars. Unlikely to get to play Houston Banditos black or San Diego Stars because they are too far away. Have not played them yet but we look forward too down the road. He could not think of one good reason to come north to play in any tournaments up here. I agree  |
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| Posts: 61 | Location: Maryland | Registered: September 25, 2006 | |
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bill L.:
While my son is still at least few years away, I think there may be some hope for the future.
It was very clear that the kids down south were far ahead of our boys when we would play down there. The boys up here are just as athletic but they just play more down south.
In the past teams from Maryland venture south only to get beat up in national AAU or Triple Crown tournaments.
The other thing that I have observed is that down south the public supports their baseball much much better.
Montgomery County could care less, with all their money, about the baseball fields.
Some of the county fields that are nice like Damascus regional cost a fortune.
When you visit the indoor practice facilities in Virginia all you can do is be jealous. They have big contributors that love the kids and love the game so they put up big bucks to support their programs. /QUOTE]
Many points offered, and as many are not my view point.
a) The Maryland ball fields used in the old Clark Griffith League and new Cal Ripken Sr League are soooooo much better than the fields used in Virgina.
That analogy may be similar to comparing
the Florida HS fields to the Maryland fields!
Many of the Florida and Arizona HS fields could
handle a AA club (given AA lighting)
b) "Some of the county fields that are nice like Damascus regional" .......oh please!.
Wheaton Regional, Cabin John, Einstein HS, Springbrook HS, Georgetown Prep, Blake HS, Martin Luther King and others are very playable.
Outside the county, Shipley is a great field, so is Navy, Towson, Arundel HS, Bachman & Joe Cannon.
Let's agree that Damascus regional is playable.
c) The Maryland baseball talent keeps improving
(and long after the Florida boys being thinking
about cars and gals as a priority). I don't recall seeing
a Florida HS player compete after agreeing
to a scholarship in Maryland
d) Every area is cyclic. Hillsborough County (FL)
is the premier hot bed for talent and that has
not been cyclic since ......mid 60's.
e) Your opinion regarding the lack of success of the Maryland youth and amateur teams at National Tournaments level of play is not my view point and requires major adjustment.
f) Given lemons, make lemon-aid
Good luck to your son
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| Posts: 1521 | Location: Fairland, Maryland USA | Registered: December 26, 2002 | |
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