I read an article in yesterdays tribune that a high school player, in a game against driscoll was allowed to throw 180 pitches. the final score was 15-14. this pitchers' team was down by 7 runs (if memory serves me). What in the world was the coach thinking? Why did the parents stand by and let this happen? Why did the player (a sen.) let it occur?

I am the father of 2 pitchers. I can't imagine that I could tolerate this kind of non-coaching, or should I say abuse. Nothing good could come of this. Appearently winning at any cost means simply that! This is a CRIME! Shame on all involved!!

Yes way too much. Kids are not trained to throw that many pitches. A high school kid should never throw over 100 pitches. I currently coach in professional baseball and the highest we have our pitchers go is 115 and that is not until end of July after 6 months of throwing every day.

Yea but he did beat Driscoll so that was pretty cool!

does winning really justify the pitch count? i would bet that someone else on their bench could have thrown pitches at least as well as someoneone that was over 150 pitches. If he had previous high pitch counts he can at least remember his win while sitting on the bench recovering, perhaps from surgery!
oh yeah, but he won!

Let's see. 150 in the game. The kid probably threw another 50 in the bullpen warming up. Add to that another 30-35 warm up pitches inbetween innings. Starting to sound even worse.

Whta's next? Three days rest and they throw him out there again? I would be making a trip to the AD...

No wonder the kids have the soft mentality today---Daddy says " I would be making a trip to the AD"


Not condoning the pitch count at all but daddy running to the AD is not the way to go about it. By the way who kept the pitch count?

TR

Say what you want but no one should be throwing 150 pitches in the name of "The kids today do not throw enough!!!"

My arm was shot at 19. I remember what the Dr. told me how the tendons in my arm looked like after opening me up. Coaches threw me and every other pitcher with any talent all the time in the name of winning- we had no pitch counts. You started every M/F. If you think that kids don't throw enough than why don't we go back to that system? Maybe pitch counts got put in place to protect kids from morons who don't know what they are doing.

I am commenting on whether a kid should throw 150, not whether or not he did. Read the book, "Saving the Pitcher."

Wake up.

TR, sorry, but I can't agree with you. This is year 2009, and there is so much information that has been published about how pitch counts and excessive innings are a precursor to shoulder/elbow surgery. A coach would have to be a moron to either ignore these well known facts, or feel that he knows better than the folks at ASMI, or Dr. Andrews directly.

Why does it matter who kept the pitch count? One guy who must not have is the head coach. If you think that a parent bringing this to the attention of an AD will make a player "soft" I cannot agree. Is it better to ignore the situation and run the very real risk of injury to your son? JMO.

Guys---can you read ???

I said I do not condone the pitch count----what I DO NOT condone is daddy running to the AD---cmon dad grow up


And who kept the pitch count is critical---was it really that many pitches?

Forget running to the AD, and AD worth his weight would be aware of a ridiculous move like this and discipline the coach himself.

Absolutely ridiculous!

Run to the AD, run to the coach who cares?

Anyone who knows baseball knows that pitch counts such as this are just not acceptable no matter if it is 130, 150 or 180 pitches. It is total BS and cannot be defended.

Just ask yourself this, if this were in the classroom, would a teacher be able to get by with physical abuse such as this or something similar? I think not. School administration would become involved with it then wouldn't they? What's the difference really? I don't see any except for the setting of the situation.

I will NEVER grow up when the health & welfare of my family is on the line. NEVER.

If you think my kids are soft, you obviously don't know them.

I'm oughta here - Sox game!

Enjoy the game !!!!

TrHit

I agree that kids do not throw enough today, but you have lost my allegiance to your argument if you will defend 180 pitches in a game.

I would advocate frequency of throwing, and even less icing and treatment, but this many pitches is out of line--you are wrong sir.

TR said:

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Posted May 23, 2009 04:05 PM Hide Post
Guys---can you read ???

I said I do not condone the pitch count----what I DO NOT condone is daddy running to the AD---cmon dad grow up

I still don't get TR's point. Is he saying that nothing should be said to anyone when this type of player abuse/misuse occurs and the parents should just let it slide? I don't get it. And who cares who is keeping the pitch count? What difference does it make even if it is off a few pitches? That statement makes no sense and has nothing to do with the point in question.

Did the big guy come back and throw in the regional championship today? I see that we lost so I guess not. And now if a teacher had a student throw 180 pitches in a classroom with kids and windows and desks around that would be way dangerous not a good idea.

My best guess is that TR gets irritated by threads like this.
Threads based on a statement that is unproven. A thread where people jump on the band wagon about some poor kid abused by his coach and parents. Maybe after coaching all these years he gets irritated by this type of thread. Just a guess.

You guys need to read better---I need not go further


And stop assumimg what is my mind when I post--none of you have any idea what I am thinking.

****le


one hint---do not guess

secondly--what irritates me are parents who run to some authority figure when things don't satisfy their want and needs---AND THEN LET US SUE !!!!

TR,
I don't wish to jump to conclusions here. You've stated that it's too many pitches, and also that parents shouldn't run to some authority figure.

How do you think this should be handled? Should the AD or some authority figure/coaches boss be informed of the incident? If so, who should do the informing?

I'm not trying to bait you here, I am genuinely trying to understand how you see a solution to this coming about.