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Originally posted by soxnole:
"Boyds World"

Goes all the way back to 1997.

For instance:

Eastern was # 194 that year while ISU was # 88.

You may have to google it but it's there.

There is also a link @ [D1baseball.com]...easily the overall best info anywhere....[WarrenNolan.com] would be 2nd best.

Since I started this whole mess, I thought that I would add up some numbers. I went to Boyds World and calculated each team's 13 year average since 1997. I will also show the 2009 RPI so you can see how they have done recently. Some schools fluctuated more than others. Many schools changed coaches so take it for what it is worth. Thanks to Soxnole for pointing me in the right direction.

UofI 13 yr avg 104 2009 65
SIU 13 yr avg 128 2009 183
ISU 13 yr avg 137 2009 172
NU 13 yr avg 158 2009 215
EIU 13 yr avg 166 2009 61
BU 13 yr avg 179 2009 260
UIC 13 yr avg 181 2009 134
NIU 13 yr avg 206 2009 252
WIU 13 yr avg 252 2009 279

See this link for explanation of RPI:

http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/rpi.doc

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If a player goes outside of Illinois their scholarship would only cover the additional out of state tuition that they would be required to pay. This provides no or little monetary benefit to the player and his family.

Not exactly sure what you are trying to say here RR, but it sounds like a pretty broad statement that I am certain does not apply to every student athlete attending college out of state.

As far as the Illinois schools go, I think that Sean Lyons teaming up with Elvis Dominguez at Bradley should dramatically improve both the quality of the recruits and the level of coaching at Bradley.

Eastern had a fantastic season last year, with many making a valid argument that they should have made their regional.

Illinois State's 2009 recruiting class received honorable mention this year.

Just some of my thoughts on the three Illinois schools that have my attention for the upcoming seasons.

Obviously, I was only talking about public schools with the player only getting a partial scholarship. Private schools are typically the same cost regardless whether you are in state or not.

For example, these numbers taken from the collegeboard website.

University of Illinois
In State Tuition - $12,524
Out of State Tuition - $26,666
Room and Board - $9284

If an out of state player gets a 40% scholarship for tuition and room and board, it would be approximately the same as an in state student without a scholarship.

Of course the numbers will vary depending on the amount of the scholarship, but as you can see the out of state tuition negates a significant portion for public schools.

"Of course the numbers will vary depending on the amount of the scholarship, but as you can see the out of state tuition negates a significant portion for public schools."

Yes-sir-e-bob. It certainly can. Thanks for the clarification.

illinois

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Originally posted by ballyall:
illinois

Just used as an example. Obviously for us in Illinois, we would not have to worry about out of state tuition. But for the schools in the South that were discussed, it would apply to us.

A program on a big time rise and is turning into a great choice is SIU-Edwardsville. They have great field, maybe the best in field in Illinois if you ask me. They are building a new clubhouse that will be connected to the dugoutand field turf is in there near future rumor has it.

They are also in there second year in division 1 and were pretty competive last year. They had Illinois beat and lost 7-6 and Ohio State 11-10. If you ask me with the field they have and the warm weather with St.Louis being 10 minutes from campus. They could become a pretty good program if they aren't already.

U of I Champaign Urbana Campus' College of Business tuition, room and board for an in state resident is approximatley $29,000.

Unless you know, and are on good terms with, one of our most honorable state representatives or senators!

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Pretty brutal numbers listed there for our state schools.

Considering that most of the top 100 are southern schools you would still think that a Big Ten or Missouri Valley representative could do better than that!

Not to mention that Illinois and the Big Ten is consistently over-rated. Ohio State got beat 37-6 in one regional game. Minnesota, which is the class of the Big 10 did play well in their regional but even if Illinois and Indiana are getting a little better, why can't they get a coach that can seriously recruit like Kent State or Louisville did?
If Rhode Island can schedule and compete with the best, why can't Illinois? If Boston College can upgrade in 3 years like they just did, why can't Northwestern?

11 Northern schools were in the top 100 last year and there is no reason why UConn, Rhode Island, BYU
and Kent State should out perform Illinois, NIU, ISU, SIU, UIC and NW.

They need to schedule somebody and spend a couple bucks! Money is tight in Conn, R.I and Ohio too.

Kudos to EIU. They are getting it done.

Just a thought soxnole but maybe the problem is not the recruiting here but what they do with the rcruits when they get to the Illinois school programs.

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Originally posted by 2bagger:
Just a thought soxnole but maybe the problem is not the recruiting here but what they do with the rcruits when they get to the Illinois school programs.

Hear here!!!

It could be some of both, but certainly getting the recruits you get, coached up, is a large part of the equation.

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Originally posted by soxnole:
Ohio State got beat 37-6 in one regional game.

What? They missed kicking the extra point!




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It was a game 4 for OSU and they were out of pitching.

One might say they were "out of pitching" on the way to the regional!

In 2 games VS an SEC and an ACC team they gave up 61 runs!!! (16 innings)

That is the difference between an over-rated Big 10 school and a true "top program" that knows to recruit pitching first and foremost.

Then again, what top pitcher wants to throw in 40 degree weather for more than half the season?

In any case this is what the northern schools are up against even when it is Ohio State!

Soxnole,
There are examples on both sides of that equation. For some reason, the Big 10 really tailed off towards the end of the season in regards to the level of play. Pitchers like Alex Wimmers, who had been unhittable a month before, were suddenly mortal.

Army went down to the Austin Regional and put up 10 runs against the number one pitching staff in the whole country, in Texas home stadium against the pitcher most people considered Texas most talented, Taylor Jungmann. This is after Army sent ACC team BC, and southern team Texas State (who many thought should have hosted their own regional), packing. So the exception doesn't make the rule.

Is the Big 10 overrated? Sometimes. Are they underrated? I think Vanderbilt, ACC team and ranked #1 in the country, would say so, when Michigan beat them twice in the regional 2 years ago.

Using words like "true" top program are inflammatory and not an honest picture of the landscape.

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Originally posted by soxnole:
Then again, what top pitcher wants to throw in 40 degree weather for more than half the season?

First one to jump to mind...Joba Chamberlain

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Originally posted by soxnole:
Then again, what top pitcher wants to throw in 40 degree weather for more than half the season?

40°F? Too balmy!

Left field is bad enough at 20°F...at 40°F we'd lose NickNick , our star leftfielder, to a hungry seal!





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CPLZ,

The bottom line is that your examples are the VERY rare exception.

There is NOT a true "top program" in the Big 10.

Inflammatory or not, it's a fact.

The RPI is not perfect but at the end of the season the Big Ten does not enter the top 40 often and the top 25 ever!

The Big Ten has not had the kind of success the Missouri Valley has had over the past 20 years. No WSU or Creighton.

Texas, UNC, LSU, Fullerton, Miami, Ga.Tech, FSU, ASU, UGA and Wichita State would be "top programs in my mind.

Would you rather drive the bus, or spend most of your time riding in the back?

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Get in the back!






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