22 teams are participating in the Columbus Day Weekend Tournament held in Washington Park. Pool play games (5 innings) started on Saturday and will continue through today, Sunday. Two brackets, with single elimination quarterfinals and semifinals on Monday with the Championship Game to be played under the lights, Tuesday night at Brooks High School.

Young is the defending 2007 Champion of this annual tournament.

Young was seeded against Evanston in its opening pool play game and faced Juarez in Game II. It was Young 1-0 winning over Evanston. Jason Ormond was the winning pitcher; 5 IP, 1 Hit, 5-K's, 0-BB, 1-HBP, 2-E's. The play of the game occurred in the 4th inning by John Schrieber making a 3-5 Double Play, throwing a strike across the infield to Frank Gowder, nailing a runner advancing to 3rd.

The only run was off a 1-RBI Double by Jack Cinamon scoring Gowder who reached on a walk. Young scored 1 run on 5 hits and stranded five runners on base. Others with hits in the game were; Giononi-Single, Bowden-Single, Ormond-Single, Rosa-Single.

In Game II Nate Kamin got the 12-0 win over Juarez. Young plays Mather today.

It was Young over Mather 5-0 today at Washington Park. Jack Cinoman was the winning pitcher; 4IP - 4 Hits, 5-K's, 1-BB. Pedro Rosa came in to close the door in the 5th inning.

John Schreiber was 2 for 2 at the plate (Single and Double). Dae Bowden with a RBI-Triple; Gabe Henriques RBI-Double and Nick Frahm with a RBI-Single.

The top eight teams are in a single game elimination playoff format tommorrow.

Schreiber and Henriques now play for Norwood. Schreiber has great power, I have seen him hit several home runs, and he doesn't look like he has filled out yet (read he'll only get better). Gabe is an excellent defensive player and a solid switch hitter who gets on base a lot. Neither are mentioned in current PBR but they should be IMO. At least as players to watch.

The Quarterfinals and Semifinals were held today at Washington Park and Young and Evanston emerge as the two teams which will advance to play for the tournament championship tomorrow night at Brooks at 6:30pm.

In the Quarterfinal Game it was Young winning 8-6 over Lakeview. Frank Gowder was the winning pitcher, going the distance and Jason Ormond came through with a 2 RBI-Triple and a RBI Single and later scored. The runs were very much needed as Lakeview did not go down easily and were threatening until the final out was made. Others in the hit column for this single elimination game were Dae Bowden who went 2 for 3 with 1-RBI Single and a Double, Steve Giononoi with a RBI-Double, Gowder with a RBI and a Single and Rosa with a RBI-Single. Jack Cinamon with a RBI and a Double and Gabe Henriques and Nathan Kamin with Singles.

In the Semifinal Game it was Young 6-3 over Lane Tech. Pedro Rosa was the winning pitcher. Nick Frahm pitched two innings for the Save. Einebohn Caberera-Loos went 2 for 3 with a Single and a RBI-Double. Gowder was 2 for 2 with two Singles and Cinoman had a RBI-Single. Also with Singles in the Semi Final game were Henriques, Giononoi and Ormond.

Evanston advanced with a win in the Quarterfinal game over Von Steuben and a win in the Semifinal game over Kenwood.

Last night at Brooks High School the Championship Game went from being a laugher and then turned into a baseball mess. It was Young winning decisively over Evanston. This game started off with another inexplicable "tournament quirk." Despite Young being the top seed in this CPS tournament, a flip determined home field advantage and Evanston won the coin toss. So the lower seed, which was Evanston and who Young had previously defeated, got the home field advantage!

It did not matter as Young was too much for Evanston to handle and at the top of the fourth inning it was 12-1 and at the end of four innings of play it was Young 17-3 over Evanston. Jason Ormond was the winning pitcher going 4 innings. A mercy rule win was clearly in sight. However, in the fifth inning Coach Cassidy substituted liberally to get other players into the game who had not played during the weekend. Subsequently, the lead quickly diminished and the quick "game over" after 5 innings went the full 7 innings. Eventually, it was Frank Gowder, one of Young's main throwers who stepped up and on to the pitching mound and got the job done.

Final score was Young 23-9 over Evanston. The noteable hit was Dae Bowden crushing a ball over the left field fence on a Grand Slam homerun in the 5th inning. Bowden connected earlier with a RBI-Single. Others in the hit parade were Einebohn Caberera-Loos with a Single and RBI-Double; Jack Cinamon with 2 Doubles; Ormond with a RBI-Single, RBI-Single and RBI-Double; and Pedro Rosa with 2-RBI Double and a RBI-Triple.

Young took home the tournament trophy for the second year in a row.

5 innings, one day rest, then 4 more innings in a rout? Seems a bit over board, ecspecially for fall baseball. But, at least it's another page in the scrapbook.

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Originally posted by Baseball Spectator:
5 innings, one day rest, then 4 more innings in a rout? Seems a bit over board, ecspecially for fall baseball. But, at least it's another page in the scrapbook.

Agreed! Of course this game was never a game since it clear from the description of the level of talent and so it is possible he threw slowpitch style.

Another favorite thing of mine. Someone not familiar with the situation, kid, circumstances, etc telling somebody else how many pitches are good for the kid and what is too much. Pitch counts at the HS level are subjective to each kid and how they respond, to try to put a number on every kid and say what kid needs 3 days rest as opposed to another kid that needs 1 is wrong. Each kid is an individual and responds differently, I don't understand how people can't understand that. Whitney Young is a pretty good school with a good history, i don't think they are ever putting kids at risk by trying to win a fall game.

Nails I defer to you vast knowledge and superior experience. You appear to know more about everything than anyone else.

Now let's see. Take 40 throws in a typical bullpen. Take a typical 50 pitches regardless of innings or pitch selection. Not that I'm any expert but I'll defer to Doctors like Andrews (Andrew's charts/recomendations are all over the place.) who use this number as one measurement of what is safe for a young adult to throw and then factor in that 40+ 40 =80 and 50+50= 100 and that is 180 pitches in 3 days representing a conservative number. Now let's not forget all of the tosses in between pitches so I don't have any set number but you get the drift. Still, I defer to Nails who apparently has much more experience at coaching than I and certainly knows more than experts like Andrews.

You might also note that the brunt of my previous response was geared toward the condensending manner in which the opposing team was described. Of course we'll have to wait for the real story from the expert.

Jason threw 61 (9-18-15-11-8) pitches in 5 innings on Saturday afternoon in the first game versus Evanston who was the home team, so he pitched in the bottom of the 5th, to close it out. He then threw 68 (7-13-24-24) pitches in 4 innings on Tuesday night. Coach Cassidy pitched him appropriately.

These counts are only for the pitches that were thrown during the game. The only real issue was the length of time between innings as several pitching changes along with the game time for 17 runs to be scored had him sitting for an extended period of time.

Not appropriate.

For a 17 year old player, Dr. Andrews and Dr. Jobe along with the Institute on Sports Medicine suggest that after 40 pitches in competition, no player should pitch in competition unless they have 2 full days of rest. As the number of pitches increase, more rest is required. Of course neither myself nor Dr. Andrews have a clue.

Sunday, Monday and the entire day on Tuesday was spent in school. That makes three days, between two games that he did not pitch. The previous day before that he pitched was one inning and a third for the Norwood Blues, which was seven days prior to the Evanston game.

His arm has not been overused.

Table 4: Minimum Number of Pitches Thrown That Should Require Specified Rest
(Mean ± Standard Deviation)
Age 1 Day Rest2 Day Rest3 Day Rest4 Day Rest
8-10 21 ± 18 34 ± 16 43 ± 16 51 ± 19
11-12 27 ± 20 35 ± 20 55 ± 23 58 ± 18
13-14 30 ± 22 36 ± 21 56 ± 20 70 ± 20
15-16 25 ± 20 38 ± 23 62 ± 23 77 ± 20
17-18 27 ± 22 45 ± 25 62 ± 21 89 ± 22

Table 5: Age (in Years) Recommendation For Learning Various Pitches
(Mean ± Standard Deviation)
Pitch Age
Fastball 8 ± 2
Change-up 10 ± 3
Curveball 14 ± 2
Knuckle ball 15 ± 3
Slider 16 ± 2
Fork ball 16 ± 2
Screw ball 17 ± 2
This study was compiled on February 12, 1996 and was published by USA Baseball News in April of that year. The USA Baseball Medical & Safety Advisory Committee updated their position statement on youth baseball injuries in May of 2004. The results are at:
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/usab/genrel...f/youth-injuries.pdf
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Dr. James Andrews is one of the world's foremost surgeons, internationally known and recognized for helping baseball pitchers recover from shoulder and elbow injuries. Many of today's top pitchers, including Kerry Wood and John Smoltz, have had "Tommy John surgery" performed by Andrews at the Alabama Sports Medicine and Orthopedic Center in Birmingham. Andrews founded the American Sports Medicine Institute and is a member of the USA Baseball Medical & Safety Advisory Committee that establishes guidelines for young pitchers.
Dr. Glenn Fleisig is the Smith and Nephew Chair of Research at the American Sports Medicine Institute, an organization dedicated to improving the understanding, prevention, and treatment of sports-related injuries through research and education. Dr. Fleisig has worked closely with players and coaches at all levels, from youth leagues to the big leagues.
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Originally posted by Dolphin Mom:
Sunday, Monday and the entire day on Tuesday was spent in school. Three days between two games that he did not pitch.

Your son not mine. Justify it anyway you want. (Insert any number of sarcastic remarks about "MY BOY as you go through the stands!) I'm good to go and forget that I suggest any thing otherwise. I'm betting that after that game the other day, he sat and didn't play any more. Oh well. Nail's I defer. DM, I defer.

By the way you will find me sitting/standing alone and watching and not saying much of anything.

I just count the pitches and keep the scorebook.

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Originally posted by Dolphin Mom:
Sunday, Monday and the entire day on Tuesday was spent in school. Three days between two games that he did not pitch.

Is that new math?...FYI, the day he pitches is not counted as a day of rest just because he pitches late in the day. He rested Sun/Mon and pitched on Tue, two days rest. You can make a semantical argument if you wish, but the reality is that no one, including Drs. Andrews or Fleisig count that as a day of rest. If you would like to contact Dr. Fleisig about it, please visit The ASMI (American Sports Medicine Institute) Forum where he answers questions regularly.

Baseball Spectator,
Thanks for the link to the chart, that is great.

and arranging the scrapbook no doubt.

I count 76 hours between Games I and II. Scrapbooks are too passe.