Just got back from the Romeoville vs. Brother Rice Game at Lockport. I gotta say the BR players (parents/fans) played hard, were respectfull to the RHS players as well as the umpires...as they should , in that they represent a chronicled Catholic High School.

I'm compelled to call the head coach to task, though, for comments to his players during the game...curse words when execution was less than required. But most importantly for addressing a RHS parent as a jack**s across the field for his disagreement on a trick play attempted by BR.

By the way coach, that jack**s is an elder in his church and I guarantee HE will have you in his thoughts tonight.

Less I forget, that was a great comback win. Your kids played a great game. RHS was excited and proud to play them tough. Good Luck in the future to the BR players.

It is wrong to call church going people jackasses.

Wow and to think that God loves the RHS kids for free

he could have called him a dolphin.

he could have strangled him.

Traveldad, Just can't understand what your agenda for calling this coach out is? Why not call out the dad who felt it necessary to yell out to the playing field? I can truly understand if you do not agree with what he did or said during the game, but to call him out like this on a public message board is cowardly. If you were at the game yesterday why didn't you call him out face to face? Why wait until you were in the comfort of your own home to do this. The head coach at BR is one of the hardest working coaches in the state. He is a coach who is always on the phone calling college coaches, builds a team concept and mentality and allows his kids to play travel ball as well as HS ball in the summer. He holds kids accountable and from many of his former players, they are very loyal and thankful for his efforts. Shame on you for trying to paint a picture of him in a negative light from one game and one instance.

What was the trick play?

Probably the 'ole pretending to throw the ball to an occupied base play. The infielders usually dive in the dirt on a feigned bad throw, and then come up chasing the ball that is supposed to be in the outfield when its really in the pitchers glove. Everyone screams ball ... ball ... ball ... and the runners gets picked off. Gotta love love love the play you know. I see it all the time in good college ball, and a few big league teams every once in a while. I think they pull it once a game. Just can't wait until a baserunner goes back in to the bag and jams hand, or breaks a thumb, on this good 'ole bush play. Maybe then someone, ya know someone might have a conversation with coach that that wouldn't be a a a ba a very enjoyful. But ya know, ya know thats baseball, thats baseball, and teamwork, and good school spirit, and respect of the game, and respect of your opponents, and and its good baseball fundamental teaching, and the parents whoa they go WOOOOW when it works. Its good. Its all all good, its just a good 'ole bush league play.

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Originally posted by Traveldad:

But most importantly for addressing a RHS parent as a jack**s across the field for his disagreement on a trick play attempted by BR.

If I open my mouth, especially in a loud and disparaging manner, I usually expect a less than pleasant retort...what's good for the goose is good for the gander, it's a two way street.

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Originally posted by Traveldad:
By the way coach, that jack**s is an elder in his church ...

And that means what? Being a church elder has no entitlements and should be given no quarter. A person performing the duties of a church elder for the right reasons would understand that.

So who is the jackass? The coach for running the dirty rotten ol' trick play or the fan who thinks that the trick play is sacreligious?

In my opinion, both. Having never personally been a victim of the play (or any of my sons, for that matter) I still find it distasteful. Not exactly the type of sportsmanship we are trying to teach our kids. And during a SUMMER game? But we can all express our disgust in a manner that does not bring embarassment to ourselves or to the game itself.

The play in question was runners at 1st and third fake squueze and steal of second.

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Originally posted by CPLZ:

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Originally posted by Traveldad:

But most importantly for addressing a RHS parent as a jack**s across the field for his disagreement on a trick play attempted by BR.

If I open my mouth, especially in a loud and disparaging manner, I usually expect a less than pleasant retort...what's good for the goose is good for the gander, it's a two way street.

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Originally posted by Traveldad:
By the way coach, that jack**s is an elder in his church ...

And that means what? Being a church elder has no entitlements and should be given no quarter. A person performing the duties of a church elder for the right reasons would understand that.

The RHS parent's comment was NOT directed at the coach nor the BR players just a vocal comment. The BR coach chose to call out the parent. JMO, coaches, like umpires, should not engage fans unless those fans are verbally abusive or are interrupting the flow of the game. The BR coach escalated the incident. period.

And no, being an elder certainly should not have any entitlements (and he would be the first to refuse anything resembling one)...but the irony of a Catholic school coach calling a spectator who happens to be a respected elder a jack*** is to say the least interesting. Are you suggesting that because the BR coach is working for his players that he should not be accountable for his behavior? He can do all the things mentioned in the above posts without drawing attention to himself or throwing insults to anyone who may see different.
I'm all for hard play and leaving it between the lines, but humility and self-control should be an expectation (of ALL coaches) not something that's overlooked or excused.

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Originally posted by ballfan:
The play in question was runners at 1st and third fake squueze and steal of second.

No it wasn't.

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Originally posted by ballfan:
Traveldad, Just can't understand what your agenda for calling this coach out is? Why not call out the dad who felt it necessary to yell out to the playing field? I can truly understand if you do not agree with what he did or said during the game, but to call him out like this on a public message board is cowardly. If you were at the game yesterday why didn't you call him out face to face? Why wait until you were in the comfort of your own home to do this. The head coach at BR is one of the hardest working coaches in the state. He is a coach who is always on the phone calling college coaches, builds a team concept and mentality and allows his kids to play travel ball as well as HS ball in the summer. He holds kids accountable and from many of his former players, they are very loyal and thankful for his efforts. Shame on you for trying to paint a picture of him in a negative light from one game and one instance.

We all have our opinions. I have mine, you have yours. I didn'nt like what I saw and heard. you didn't like how i responded to it...I'm cool with that.
Reread my post. Anytime someone takes the time and effort to praise and compliment a team, that coach is the main recipient because they play to his call. But I'll take your last sentence under advisement...it was only one incident. Should I lower my expectations of this coach?

The play was exactly as Play Dog described it (we were hosting the tourney so we had to work it). The funny thing was that they ran it the game before against us and it WORKED. The poor kid on our team doesn't hear the end of it.

Yes!

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Originally posted by LPBaseball21:
The play was exactly as Play Dog described it (we were hosting the tourney so we had to work it). The funny thing was that they ran it the game before against us and it WORKED. The poor kid on our team doesn't hear the end of it.

Pay attention, now...it was not THE PLAY I question it was what happened afterward.

I was the parent, my comment out loud was "nice play" of course it was said sarcastically. Let's not forget that this coach,whom I had not seen before this game is representing his school just like our boys are told they are. Our boys would be reprimanded for the language that this coach was using, why shouldn't the coach be held responsible? Remember, there was more than just the comment to me. There was also yelling at is own players. The Brother Rice team did a great job of coming back to win the game, I just hope they are more proud of winning playing the game than they are of pulling off a successful trick play. And in this case the play wasn't successful anyway, either was their second attempt where the coach has the whole dugout yell "squeeze". Again I say "nice play".

ANTO, despite the opinion of wether this play is appropriate or not, it is within the confines of the game rules, I am not a fan of the trick plays, but ultimately it is the responsibility of the players and the coaching staff to know where the ball is at all times and not to lose their heads. There are rules that detail the use of "verbal interference" as an infraction, but very rarely is that ever addressed. As far the language, you have the right to approach the oppossing coach and convey your thoughts if you were so offended. If I could offer some advice do it privately and professionally so that it has a greater effect.