I posted a very direct and on point response this evening about an advertiser here and with in 10 minutes the post and all the response where deleted.

Is this an open forum about what parents of high school baseball players should be aware of or a place that is ruled by a very few people and the information that is posted not totally on the level?

I wish I had saved the post to a word document so I could repost it as a separate topic. I will try to do that in a couple of days.

What are your thoughts on organizations that are out for their BRAND instead of the improvement of the players?

Should players that have played well all year be sat down in favor of a coach’s friend kid?

Should the add-on roster pitchers pitch before the team regulars?

Should the coaches be over heard promoting certain players even if a scout or recruiters asks about a different certain player?

If a kid doesn't perform well, why do the coaches keep running the kid out there to pitch high profile games? The organization says the kids’ throws 90 and the radar guns never even read 86.

What are your opinions?

Can you say "axe to grind?"

No axe to grind, just parents and the baseball community to inform.

Mr. New Jersey ha-ha

I personally know Rusty and if there are Dbat parents saying that they have not had any coaching this summer then their kids are uncoachable (not a word but sounds good). I got the opportunity to speak to 3 Dbat parents 2 days ago and they were extremely happy with Rusty. You are hiding one of two things. Either your kid is one of the uncoachables or you are a ****ed off Frozen Ropes parent.

By the way Dbat only has 2 pick up players and the one that pitched tonight has been a Dbat kid for 3 years (at least) and the other has not played an inning this whole tournament. Everyone on this board knows I am also a Tiger fan but they have 4 pick up players and 3 started tonight for them. (3 of 4 pick ups are Dbat 18 kids). At this point in the game none of this matters. If a kid is not getting the attention from the scouts then he is probably not preformed.

OK BabeballMax - I'll give you my thoughts. Pick up players should be kept to a minimum. Play with those that got you there. I wouldn't pick up 4 players like the Tigers did as I don't think it sends the right message to the kids that played for you all summer. They gave you their commitment in both time and money and it should be reciprocated.

However, if you do make the decision to pick up a player he should play. Why else would you pick him up?

Next, if a scout asks about a specific player the conversation should be about that player. The coach should give an honest assessment of the players work ethic, skill level, etc. Not doing so will cost the coach credibility and hurt future players the scout asks about. Another rule I always had when I was coaching was that I never mentioned a player to a scout when he asked about our players if the player was not at that particular game.

On one occasion, we had a marginal player that decided to go to a juco tryout instead of attending a league doubleheader. Just so happened that we had a new juco coach attend our DH specifically to watch our team. He had cleaned house and needed to sign 15 guys in about a month. He offered multiple players from our team and one ended up getting a scholly. There were 100+ kids at the tryout with less than 5 asked to workout further. The kid missed out on one of his best opportunities to be seen.

Amateur baseball is now a business so people will promote their brand as you say. Not sure that is any different than any other business. They should still promote the kids that play for them. I think the real question should be is the structure of youth baseball today better than in the past. You could probably argue both sides. My personal opinion is there are some **** good ball players being priced out of the game.

Good night and good luck to all of the Dallas teams still playing for a ticket to Farmington.

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Originally posted by Newscout:
Mr. New Jersey ha-ha

I personally know Rusty and if there are Dbat parents saying that they have not had any coaching this summer then their kids are uncoachable (not a word but sounds good). I got the opportunity to speak to 3 Dbat parents 2 days ago and they were extremely happy with Rusty. You are hiding one of two things. Either your kid is one of the uncoachables or you are a ****ed off Frozen Ropes parent.

By the way Dbat only has 2 pick up players and the one that pitched tonight has been a Dbat kid for 3 years (at least) and the other has not played an inning this whole tournament. Everyone on this board knows I am also a Tiger fan but they have 4 pick up players and 3 started tonight for them. (3 of 4 pick ups are Dbat 18 kids). At this point in the game none of this matters. If a kid is not getting the attention from the scouts then he is probably not preformed.

Actually, I'm a born and rised in Texas, living in NJ on a relo.

No, not a parent connected to FR.

As for the coaches and coaching, only getting that information second hand except that I heard the coaches tell a Scout in Atlanta that they didn't know their rotation or starting line-up before games so they couldn't tell him who would play in the next game. As for pitching, good coaches talk to their pitchers and let them know how and when they might be used so they can prepare thier arms. Position players need to know why they have gone from starting to sitting. I have heard of other examples but not personally so I'll leave those out for now.

The other player added to the roster for post season play was added for the last tournament, he did pitch in that tournament.

As for the Tigers, I heard they had some injuries but either some one with knowledge of that team would need to speak to their additions.

You are right, if a kid isn't getting noticed then maybe they aren't performing up to the level they need to be but in all situations it is the ball clubs job to talk to those kids and help them improve their performances. Of coarse they still need to play inorder to show that improvement. Also let's not forget that 100% of these kids are All District or very high level large school players that have skins on the walk, thses aren't Pony League players.

As for you Newscout, parents won't opennly say what the think or feel until after all these kids get signed but beleive me there are a lot or unhappy parents and players. But your post makes me think you read the original post, did you?

If so, do you think it should have been deleted?

SG28, thanks you for the feed back and response I hope to see more open and honest posts to keep the topic moving on about this being an open Forum.

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Originally posted by Sgray28:


I think the real question should be is the structure of youth baseball today better than in the past. You could probably argue both sides. My personal opinion is there are some **** good ball players being priced out of the game.

I don't know who you are, but I'd like to give you a hug right now.

Ken - Along with my father, we used to coach the Arlington Travelers from 1986 - 2003. I have read some of your posts in the past and think we see things pretty much the same way.

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Originally posted by Sgray28:
Ken - Along with my father, we used to coach the Arlington Travelers from 1986 - 2003. I have read some of your posts in the past and think we see things pretty much the same way.

I remember the Travelers well.

Bseball Max,

I find it interesting that you brush aside the fact that the Tigers have completely re-vamped their infield with pick-up players, referencing some vague injury problem. Who is injured and how severe are the injuries? There is a real possibility that a DBAT 18 pick up pitcher could eliminate the DBAT 17's. Does that sound like a good deal to you?

Yet the DBAT 17's pick up a DBAT 18 pitcher and one other arm that has yet to play in the Regional.

Every kid on the DBAT team has had numerous opportunities to shine in front of scouts and recruiters. If they didn't, I am sorry, but you can't blame the coaches or organizers.

The coaches have done a tremendous job of getting every player playing time all summer, but the AABC Regional tournament is the final event of the summer for all but one team, and every team is there to win it; therefore, the rotation gets a little smaller, both on the mound and in the field.

It's character building. I know of players and been associated with players on both ends of the spectrum. I see both sides and can only add one comment.

Pick up players are to better the team. It is a system. If you want to work in that system you must adapt. If you don't then you are with the wrong team. At this time of year the premium is set on winning. You have to make the best of your opportunities. As stated earlier in this post you have to perform when given the opportunity. I have seen player after player that has someone come and watch them and it's an 0'fer night with 2 errors or it’s a 3 for 4 night with an amazing defensive effort or it’s a 5 run 1st inning with the curve ball not breaking or 2 walks and 15 ks in 7 innings. Bottom line is everyday is a tryout. If you think otherwise you are extremely naive.

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I find it interesting that you brush aside the fact that the Tigers have completely re-vamped their infield with pick-up players, referencing some vague injury problem. Who is injured and how severe are the injuries?

How has there infield changed?

Nowell at 1st, Files at 3rd, Lipka at SS.

With no offense intended -- why on earth would they play Files at 3rd?

Gotta hide that bat somewhere.

I personally don't love the pick up player deal, but it is what it is and everyone does it.

I was addressing the issue above where BaseballMax took issue with DBAT picking up a couple of arms, but seemed to ignore other teams doing it.

Tychco,


*I was addressing the issue above where BaseballMax took issue with DBAT picking up a couple of arms, but seemed to ignore other teams doing it*.


Why: Because his son is a D-BAT pitcher that outing after outing has SH*T the bed. Gotta love those IP addresses.

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Originally posted by tychco:
but it is what it is and everyone does it.

I hope I never give in to anything in life justifying it with the statement above.

If you don't like something, do your best to change it.

Not giving into it...my kid happens to play on the team. I would have been happy for the team to go into the Regional with the guys that have been on the team from the get-go.

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Originally posted by tychco:
Not giving into it...my kid happens to play on the team. I would have been happy for the team to go into the Regional with the guys that have been on the team from the get-go.

I realize that and I should have stated that.

I was just commenting on the quote in vague suggesting things that don't seem right can change.

Sometimes the situation ain't worth the battle, but too many things in life are given into because "everybody does it".