Ok, let's back up -- have any of you actually gone and reread the original post? How are the coaches "open game"? Not one of us here -- including Coppell parents -- disagree with his assessment concerning the Cowboys in 2009.

Personally, I don't see how Jesuit and Marcus coaches are on a hot seat, but **shrug**. Hawkman hit the nail on the head ---- the entire TEAM must take blame for underachieving. Most coaches recognize their team's potential and are man enough to admit success or failure at season end. This topic should not bother them -- why does it bother you all so much?

Funneldrill -- pitch in.

PD,

With all that said...

I think the topic is the biggest time waster anyhow.

If folks actually put importance on winning percentages and post season in regards to coaching...............

They just don't get it to begin with.

In conclusion, to put any coach on the "hot seat" for anything other than his ability to enhance young men is rediculous. If I'm a AD I'm looking for a good role model. If wins come from that it's icing on the cake.

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Originally posted by Coach A:
Robert S. Coming out of the woodworks!! How is the summer going? I hear the boys are now in Basic? Hope all is well. Good to see you have kept in touch with us websters. Nice point.

Chris

Nothing to do my friend, I just have extra time to mope. Day 6 of basic, we hear from him on day 18.

KG -- most topics at this time of the year are time wasters -- see the topic on "18U/17U postseason tournaments, is AABC still top dog?"

As I indicated earlier, I think kdm's post on the subject sums up the attributes of a great coach.

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Originally posted by Panther Dad:
KG -- most topics at this time of the year are time wasters -- see the topic on "18U/17U postseason tournaments, is AABC still top dog?"

I actually thought that one was one of the few that had value here. Having Jerry explain how different venues precieve things is nice to know. How the AFLAC is ran from behind the scenes. It was informative in my opinion.

But for the most part, your right, this forum is 99% time wasting material.

It would be like a bunch of folks sharing their opinons on law practice or government procedures with nothing more than a HS diploma.

But it's fun non the less for all kinds of different folks.

You are right about Coppell, but the problem isn't the coach. Some of the guys forgot there is no I in TEAM......., as have some of the parents. Seen it in action all summer long baby.....

Ken's right, this forum is mostly worthless, but entertaining.

PD,

I have stayed away from this thread for a couple of reasons.

1) I agree that this message board is about opinions and everyone is entitled to express them.

2) I think the original post is complete joke and any response by me, as the head coach at Marcus, would look like either sour grapes, that I have thin skin, or that I can't take criticism.

I won't discuss the other 4 schools mentioned, just mine, so I guess I am taking the bait. First, expectations at Marcus were high before I got the job last month and always will be. Marcus has a rich playoff tradition and the community expects to win. This is a big reason why I wanted this job. If you know anything about Marcus baseball, you'd know this. As for my grace period being over by March, IN MY OPINION, this is an uninformed statement. Why? Because when March 1 rolls around on the calender we will have played all our scrimmages and the Lake Cities Classic (weather permitting of course). We don't have our first district game until March 10, at Lewisville HS. Unless we are 0-fer and play terribly, then I think I'll be safe. Of course with 8 starters, 16 letterman and 21 seniors back for this year, I am pretty confident.

I could take issue with many more things in the original post, but I don't want to confuse opinions with facts. I'll let the uninformed do that. After all, they do it well.

FD

You appear to be a class-act from your post(s). Best wishes to you next year.

I keep going back and rereading the original post -- and I can't seem to find a) the glaring inaccuracies, b) the offensive opinions, or 3) slanderous comments. I think it's ridiculous to put the new Marcus coach or the Jesuit coach on a "hot seat", but I just don't get the strong reaction caused by the post.

Coach C (Plano East) expects to make the playoffs each year ------ I suppose he's putting himself on a hot seat?

It's ok if it is "internal" but most of the "hot" in hot seat will be driven by parents with unrealistic expectations. Most of the failure in a baseball teams doesn't lie with the coach, but with the players. The only exception being if they just aren't prepared enough to play. If they lack talent, that isn't a coaching problem, but the coaches "suffer" due to it.

Think about it, how many coaches are unsuccessful EVERYWHERE they go, very few. And those that are aren't in coaching very long. I have also seen teams that could have had a monkey for a coach (and maybe some have) and been successful, due to the talent and commitment of the players.

PD I still contend that if a post was here that you were not doing your job you would take exception. Thats a natural response when your lifeline is being openly discussed in public, even if fact or fiction.

SWAC,

I think you just implied PD isn't doing his job, maybe he will close it now......

RH -- you're right, parents set expectations, fans set expectations, newspapers set expectations, administrators set expectations (I hope)and message board posters set expectations -- and I think everyone knows that coaches don't win or lose ball games....the players do.

SWAC -- if this was a message board on customer service and I was a well-known service delivery manager then I might expect to see posters discuss the expectation that I do my job. There are millions of sites that review performance. That's not even what's happening here. No one said that Coach XYZ was not doing her job....did they?

Why does it seem ok for communities to run their football coaches out of town on a rail when they fail to make the playoffs once in 10 years? I don't agree with that approach either. Some summer programs have high expectations regarding their teams' performances too, don't they?

Enough from me.

Hmmm, he did imply that, didn't he?

PD, being the man in charge you will always have the last word.

I think PD and SWAC both have thier points. I'll agree to keep it open as long as people don't start bashing coaches, but to openly discuss the possibilities of coaches being on the hot seat isn't enough to close it.

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admininstratins

I think that is how they spell it where my son goes to school also....

My bad, dick.....I was tiping pourle. My educashun is from oHIo.

SWAC -- you know I'd never be a bully here.

And my 5000th post seems elusive at this point in time.

I just hope to make it to 10

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No one said that Coach XYZ was not doing her job....did they?

PD, are we reading the same discussion. What does this statement say,

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"completely agree that ***the coach*** of heritage HS is on the hot seat after having 4 D1 players and 2 draft picks (thorpe and palmeiro) along with 5 JuCo players and not making it past the 1st round of the playoffs he is feeling the heat."

This certainly implies the coach is not doing a good job.

Honestly, I see little difference between this thread and those that pop up in april ranking teams in their district. It is informed speculation. No more, no less.

As far as the teams listed go, let's not forget "little" Mckinney Boyd, coming up to 5-A and being greeted, along with Jesuit, by the toughest district in the state. What about Bryan Adams after a couple solid years in 5-A moving down to 4-A into probably a weaker division. What is the expectation there?

Coaches have minimal control of how a player performs, but there is more to coaching then just running out the best possible line up and crossing your fingers. A coach creates an atmosphere, either pressured or relaxed, in which a player not only plays but practices in. I'm not going to argue the merit of both approaches, but I will say that different groups of players will excel in different "climates."

But remember: If the team wins, the players won. If the team loses, the coach lost, so goes the life of a coach.