Do you have to have more than one of the 5 tools? I'm sure it really separates a player who has it all but can one of the tools, especially speed or power, get a kid drafted? Non pitchers that is.
Posts: 159 | Location: New Jersey | Registered: August 29, 2007
TPM, Great websites. They seem like scouting 101 classes. I looked up a pitcher from Clemson drafted by the Cardinals in June. Second round pick, very nice. I hope he reaches all his goals.
Posts: 159 | Location: New Jersey | Registered: August 29, 2007
fillsfan, Thank you. You asked a question and deserved an answer, it was the best I could come up with as I had lost that other link. I do beleive that I had originally gotten some great info from the PG website, I'll go back and look when I can.
Posts: 10788 | Location: South Florida | Registered: July 28, 2003
Originally posted by Bear: In addition to Perseverance, the following character values will keep a draftee around (even after his primary tools keep improving.)
Bear, I wonder if you could explain this. There isn't a single trait or skill in all of those great values that gets measured by those who run minor league player development, especially when your primary tools aren't improving. Think of it this way: there are about 650 positions in MLB. In each minor league system there are 140 to 180 players at any given time. They are competing for 3-4 roster spots that might open each year. Virtues and values are of little to no value in MLB when your skills have peaked below the level to get beyond AAA, from everything I have heard and seen and discussions I had just last night.
'You don't have to be a great player to play in the major leagues, you've got to be a good one every day.'
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Originally posted by Dad04: How about talented players perservering, and LUCKily not getting blocked or hurt?
A friend and former teammate was to be involved in a trade for Rod Carew when the Twins were trying to dump his salary. My friend was told if the deal happened he was to be the Twins leftfielder. The Yankees pulled him out of the trade even though they were loaded in the outfield. The Twins backed off the trade and sent Carew to the Angels. At the end of his second stellar AAA season my friend was hit by a pitch, broke his wrist and never fully recovered. He never saw a day in the majors.
Posts: 1632 | Location: Mid-Atlantic | Registered: October 29, 2007
Originally posted by Dad04: How about talented players perservering, and LUCKily not getting blocked or hurt?
Dad04, what a great question. If the club has many dollars invested, your opportunities increase but are not guaranteed, by any means. Like it or not, there are GM's who do not want to rely on a talented minor leaguer if there is a major league veteran available. When you see 40 year old position players getting 2/3 year guaranteed money, that means talented players will sit at AA/AAA. These next few days should be of great interest. There will be 2 years of Rule V players eligible to be picked for very small amounts of money. If there isn't a great deal of movement, things will remain status quo with terrific players sitting and waiting, and waiting, and waiting...well you get the idea. One of our son's teammates in 2004/05, who was a backup both years, got picked in the Dec. 2005 rule V. Expectations are that he will make that MLB team next year in an organization that is very weak in it's minor league system and without adequate resources to compete in the free agent market. He is also a very good player who spent several years trying to "earn" his rule V status.
'You don't have to be a great player to play in the major leagues, you've got to be a good one every day.'
Posts: 2053 | Location: ca | Registered: February 11, 2003
Originally posted by fillsfan: Infielddad, I was talking about getting drafted in any round, even the lower rounds. What you said, especially about injuries, applies to players drafted in the first or fiftieth.
fillsfan, Either I didn't post what I meant to say and it was misinterpreted. While it is correct that every player is susceptible to injury, what happens after that can vary greatly depending on the draft round/investment of the club. Those are things you learn through experience. If you are drafted in the 50th round and injury affects your production, you are not likely to gt a second chance to prove yourself. If someone in the first round has he same injury and it also impacts production, he will likely get many more chances. The same injury does not produce necessarily the same result depending on your draft status.
'You don't have to be a great player to play in the major leagues, you've got to be a good one every day.'
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Infielddad, Agree that a top draft pick and a low draft pick have different standards regarding injuries. I meant no offense to your original post regarding injuries and opportunity once drafted. My original post was about getting drafted at all. To be a top 5 round pick a kid has to be an awesome player. To get drafted anywhere there has to be certain things that catches a scouts eye. I was trying to clarify for myself what those things are. The many great posts in this thread have helped me tremendously.
The reason I started this topic is because I have a 15 yo sophomore who is a good hitter with a lot of power. He is an outfielder with a good arm, good glove but is not the fastest kid in the world. His goal, like a lot of kids, is to be drafted from high school. I do not want to discouage his dream/goal but it is hard for me to see this as a realistic possibility. He currently plays for a very good travel team that goes to all the age appropriate PG tournaments on the east coast. He works out at a bb academy every winter and has burnt out yet. I was just wandering how far fetched his dream is. Thanks
Posts: 159 | Location: New Jersey | Registered: August 29, 2007
Originally posted by Dad04: How about talented players perservering, and LUCKily not getting blocked or hurt?
A friend and former teammate was to be involved in a trade for Rod Carew when the Twins were trying to dump his salary. My friend was told if the deal happened he was to be the Twins leftfielder. The Yankees pulled him out of the trade even though they were loaded in the outfield. The Twins backed off the trade and sent Carew to the Angels. At the end of his second stellar AAA season my friend was hit by a pitch, broke his wrist and never fully recovered. He never saw a day in the majors.
Blocked AND hurt. He's not alone, I'm sure.
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posted by filsfan: I do not want to discouage his dream/goal but it is hard for me to see this as a realistic possibility. He currently plays for a very good travel team that goes to all the age appropriate PG tournaments on the east coast. He works out at a bb academy every winter and has burnt out yet. I was just wandering how far fetched his dream is.
By definition, getting drafted is far fetched for nearly every single player at 15. The odds get better for a couple dozen kids by 17 or 18. Don't discourage his dream. Why would you or should you? Don't get distracted by something so out of your control, like who he falls for, or if he gets drafted. You have zero control or clervoyance on either topic.
Take care of what you can and enjoy the rest. My $0.02.
Posts: 4795 | Location: Florida | Registered: December 26, 2002
fillsfan, When it comes to the draft and playing professional baseball, it truly is a process over which you and your son do not have control I would agree with Dad04 that it is your son's dream and it is a dream shared by so many. I would not try and discourage the dream but you can perhaps bring a sense of realism to the discussions when necessary. With it being your son's dream, the only thing he can control is improving his skills as a player. Even then, he isn't going to be measured by his skills when determining draftability, he is going to be measured by whether those skills project in 3-4 years. In some organizations, he is also going to be assessed on whether he has the mental makeup to adapt and succeed and, in some places, that can be deciding factor. I think it is important to encourage and support your son to develop his tools/skills so he can be the best player he can be, so he can dream. When it comes to the draft, he can dream, but you can also provide some sense of realism to the process. The true objective isn't to get drafted. That is only the start and it isn't anywhere near the finish line. Last night I was reading a site that did a summary of every minor league position player in the organization. There are currently 86 players who were included with scouting reports/comments on tools. Every one of those 86 is a very good player. Even so, of those 86, it is likely that perhaps 5 or 6 will ever put on a uniform in a MLB game. That, for me, is the guidance you can provide your son when/if the draft presents as a possibility when he is a high school senior, assuming the draft is configured then as it is now, which is very questionable.
'You don't have to be a great player to play in the major leagues, you've got to be a good one every day.'
Posts: 2053 | Location: ca | Registered: February 11, 2003
Don't ever discourage a young players dream. Focus on what you have control over now as infielddad has expressed. When the time comes at 17,18 (for some later) and he might have to make a decision, you can discuss the possibilities. In the meantime, don't forget the importance of school, good grades open many doors and is often overlooked by young players in the scheme of things.
Posts: 10788 | Location: South Florida | Registered: July 28, 2003
great post by infield dad. and to add to it .most kids have the dream of getting drafted. that can be a great goal, with college bball being a step to reaching that goal.
but what to do after they get drafted? that is something you can both explore.and get a ton of info right here,you've been given some already.
while maybe 10% of the kids drafted have a nice payday,most don't. and it can be a struggle,i'm betting none would give it up without a fight. it's great to have that dream but take it a step further,lot's to think about. and it will make for some great son/dad conversations.
i'm a light eater,when it's light out i eat. Tommy John
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