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Three years of college guarantees NOTHING, so does getting drafted after HS. JMO.

Nor does signing out of Latin America at 16, other than you won't be sleeping in a dirt floor hut till you get cut and sent home.

The grass ain't greener in Latin America. Most of the time there is no grass.

I do appreciate the news flash that scouts are looking for STUDS. Very enlightening.... coolgleam
 
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Dad04,

In several games - when my eldest played in Puerto Rico - they cut out pieces of cardboard boxes - doubled them up - and packed them in mud on the "Mound".

That was the rubber.

They love the game.

I hope they keep getting alot of chances to get the hell out of the ratholes they live in.

IMO.


You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton, Ball Four, 1970

 
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...and then they take the extra card board home to sleep on. I guess you need to see things first hand south of the border to understand why they crawl on their hands and knees to get here.
 
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They love the game.

I hope they keep getting alot of chances to get the hell of the ratholes they live in.


Right on ITS.

I hope they keep raising the Bar.
It will only make the Baseball World Stronger.
American Kid's can play with anybody and the World.
And there not Afraid of a Challenge.
EH
 
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American Kid's can play with anybody and the World.


They do it every day April through October.
 
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I meant are youth.
American KIDS.
Not adult's.
 
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Them too...... Smile
 
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OS8 - I mean this as genuinely and truthfully as anything...I hope you find peace, somehow with yourself and your view of this process. You seem to me very troubled.

And while your "Stanford noodlehead" remark really doesn't bother me at all (actually I got a good chuckle out of it and I needed a good chuckle today while visiting your home state), I truly hope you get the good fortune to meet the young man that infielddad told you about someday. I have. Your life will be genuinely enriched from the experience. It will be one of the very, very best days of your life. I can assure you of that.


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Happy New year! As some may have noticed, I just got a lesson in addition and subtraction Big Grin
I put my stone away and got some lemonade for EVERYBODY!! (it's spiked)
 
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The lemonade tastes better. Wink

BTW, I love Ohio...grew up here. Might move back someday.


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One simple solution---if you don't like it here ---LEAVE


TRhit
 
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by RH: only that his posts are cryptic, disorganized, and negative.
def - cryptic; having hidden or secret meaning
hmm, maybe your interpretaion is not the intended one noidea



well, there's no hidden meaning in TR's post . . . or is there Eek



I went to school w/a guy who couldn't write a sticky note - -
now he has a staff to comunicate to his 100+ employees 08
 
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***** Less than 10% of the HS kids drafted in 2003 were re-drafted in 2006!!

The spots are taken by whom? Many of these kids!!

. . . while these other guys are taking your spot?


From what I have recently learned, a major league team can only have 30% of their entire roster filled from outside of America. That's their entire roster - including all of their minor league teams. Seems like there are still plently of spots left. Don't think the other guys are taking away spots.

Besides, it you're good enough to play, it WILL happen, Latin America or not!!


"How bad do you want it? How bad do you need it? Are you eating, sleeping, dreaming with that one thing on your mind? How bad do you want it? How bad do you need it? Cause if you want it all You've got to lay it all out on the line" ~ performed by Tim McGraw written by Jim Collins/Bill Luther
 
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***I like to generate debate, get opinions, not psychotherapy like some replies from those who feel qualified as a Shrink?? Cool thanks redhead..... don't know much about Old Sluuger - only that his posts are cryptic, disorganized, and negative. I sense a lot of rage and personal dissatisfaction. From what I gather on this post, it seems that he thinks South American players have a distinct advantage over our kids living in the USA.***

cryptic......OK.......Ignorant 0%.....its about the debate, the opinions, but not necessarily mine. Wink

I have been quoted many times here that all decisions are made on the field of play!!Period!!


The other side of the coin!!

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:uvQTnNXGMT4J:slam....n&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=7

Latin American 'boot camps' no guarantee

By BOB ELLIOTT -- Toronto Sun

Tony Fernandez made it.

So, did Kelvim Escobar and Junior Felix.

They wore major-league uniforms, as did Domingo Ramos, Luis Sojo, Sandy Martinez and Domingo Cedeno.

But what happens to other players from Latin America who sign after July 1, when they are 17, but are out of minor-league ball after three or four years?

Arturo J. Marcano Guevera knows and the Indiana University graduate has written about the hardships facing those who try to make it from the day they enter a baseball academy and about those who don't make it.

Guevera, along with David P. Fidler, wrote Stealing Lives, The Globalization of Baseball and the Tragic Story of Alexis Quiroz.

Guevera taught sports law at the University of Massachsuetts last year. He and his wife, Mary Ann, are living in Etobicoke where they've resided for most of the past nine years.

"Teams over-sign players and send them to academies in the Dominican and Venezuela," Guevera said this week at the Rogers Centre.

It's similar to overbooking a flight. Except if you make the flight, something is guaranteed in return. Academies are like boot camps, with very little to handle the basics such as a sore elbow or shoulder.

SOCIAL PROBLEMS

"This has led to great social problems in Latin America," the author says. "Young boys give up schooling, give up everything to chase a dream not everyone realizes. After being released they come home without an education and can't find work."

In North America, teams offer a high schooler or a collegian a signing bonus, plus a schooling package for when his career is over. That does not happen in Latin America.

"The whole thrust of the book is that it is possible to play baseball and get an education, too," he says of his campaign to raise awareness. "So many players see baseball as the only way out of poverty. They are pushed by families and scouts to play baseball, to be the next Sammy Sosa or Pedro Martinez."

Guevera doesn't like the inequity of the average signing bonus for drafted players in North America, which averages $15,000-$17,000 US in Canada, the United States and Puerto Rico. In Latin America, free agents sign for an average of $5,000-$8,000, or so the book claims.

Of the 822 majors leaguers on opening day rosters, 27.9% were foreign born. Of the 6,568 minor leaguers, 45% were foreign born. The Dominican Republic leads with 1,463 players, followed by Venezuela (831), Puerto Rico (114), Mexico (95), Australia (85) and Canada (82).

Respected baseball expert Milton Jamail is quoted as saying: "There is not a kid in the Caribbean who reaches his 14th birthday without being seen by a major-league team."

If it's tough enough for veteran scouts to project a college pick at age 21, how easy can it be for buscons -- or searchers -- to look at a 14-year-old and do the same?

The book traces the story of Quiroz, of Venezuela, who signed with the Chicago Cubs, was sent to the Dominican summer league, injured his left shoulder, was then taken to a storage room and a trainer stomped on his shoulder to get it back in place. Quiroz incurred $7,694 in medical bills after being released.

"At the academy, Alex was paid $750 a month, but $300 of that went back to the Cubs for room and board," he says. "I've read where Alex Rodriguez of the Yankees has been asked about academies. He said if he had attended one, he probably wouldn't have made it."

Seeing former major leaguers such as Tony Pena and Ozzie Guillen send their sons to U.S. schools, Guevera hopes some are seeing the light and combining baseball and school. But not everyone has a father who played in the majors.

Former Major League Baseball CEO Sandy Alderson used to talk about "the great humanitarian works MLB was undertaking in Latin America."

MLB should first start by treating players like humans, not cattle.

**** no Shrinks need apply**** THERE IS NO ANGER


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Some random thoughts :
Of the Kids drafted in 2003 that did sign how many are still in baseball after 2006?

Of the kids drafted in 2003 that did sign and do not get to the "show" What percentage go back to college?

Is there increased competetion from Latin countries absolutely, the Far East explosion of talent we are starting to see now as well and academies similar to Latin countries will be seen as well. ( I think that is even more reason to go to college)

Maybe the solution is to move to Dominican Republic live in poverty (not meant to be slam but most stories about the kids speak of their limited resources)and don't get an education, and play there. Of course I would like to know the percentage of Dominican players that play at these academies that don't get drafted and of course we never know about.

To sign or not to sign when you are drafted is a question I'm not smart enough to answer...how about a definite maybe...and about forgoing professional ball and playing in college a resounding maybe as well.

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Originally posted by OLDSLUGGER8:

***** Less than 10% of the HS kids drafted in 2003 were re-drafted in 2006!!

Less than 10% are re-drafted. What is a kids ultimate goal. I keep asking.

Here is my take................. Hey kids in SA, play ball 12 months year round, get real good while these other guys try to get a college dimploma, play ball, and make every effort to make both work out.

Ain't gonna happen very often!! Way back I asked about the FREAK, the Harvard type who gets both done, usually a pitcher.

What about the other 8 guys out there?? Hey kids..........you want to ascertain your college degree while these other guys may be taking your spot?

Just a reminder there are more hills and mountains out there, and that 3 years of college baseball guarantees absolutely NADA.



I would also say that being drafted out of high school guarantees absolutely NADA.
 
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So what is your point? Did you just copy the article for no reason? Do you have an opinion?



***expressing opinions here are treated a WRONG, so why bother!!

Just more fodder on the ongoing college vs. Pro debate. There is no right or wrong answer, just an individuals decision.

You go to college to get an education

You play college baseball either to play college baseball or use it as a venue to advance to Pro.

You go to the minors and try to advance to a higher level


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There is no right or wrong answer...


Actually there is a right and wrong answer...you just may not know it at the time you make the decision. You may not know the "right" answer for years. You may never know the "right" answer! noidea

But you're right, each individual has their own life to live and may arrive at many different conclusions under similar circumstances.


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JBB,
I agree there definetly is a right or wrong answer.
Sometimes you know it right away, sometimes it takes a while to figure it out. Wink

I know making the decision to turn pro or go to college is a difficult one. That's something to be discussed in advance and decided upon after draft day.

Parents of HS players,
Try not to pay attention to all of this. You might be wondering the whole season what is the right thing to do, but come draft day, son doesn't get drafted, then you'll turn around and say, wish I had paid more attention to son's last HS season! Put it aside and enjoy the moments, you'll never have them back again.
 
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TPM.
Great advice.
Enjoy the here and now.
Let that other stuff take of it self in due time.
EH
 
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As a parent of a HS player who was drafted, yes this is a very tough decision and one to make wisely. As Parents we both wanted our child to attend school but the question we asked ourselves after talking with Son. what is it that he really wanted to do!! We couldn't picture our son attending classes and knowing that he could be playing Pro Ball. It is a tough road for a 19yr old to suddenly be thrusted into doing everything for himself. The long bus rides between games and living out of a suitcase. They have to grow-up and adjust quickly cause mom/dad aren't there to help them. In closing is there a correct answer to the question Pro versus College I can't really say, we made what we thought was in the best interest of our child and haven't looked back since. I must say that to those considering this that to please keep the MLB Scholarship plan in your mind. This item is also negotiable and son has used this during his offseason.
 
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