What about the 18 year old HS player who tosses 90 plus versus the 21 year old college Junior who does the same?

I see some of the point the poster is making.

Pitching prospects have tons to deal with, that is, there are so many kids who bust 90, regardless of age. Thats where makeup and desire take over.

Does the college-skipper have the edge because they felt no need to perform in college ball.

There are NO GUARANTEES...........either way.

Take your best-shot, "if it feels right"

There is no right or wrong answer, but only the foregoing of "college baseball".

If a kid feels the need to dominate college players, 90 % of whom will never get to the minor leagues, thats OK.

The kid who wants to play Pro ball ultimately will have to prove his mettle. If he does it at age 18-21, thats called success professionally speaking.

Mr. Wizard is allowed to complete his degree at age 40!! An academic success.

"If a kid feels the need to dominate college players, 90 % of whom will never get to the minor leagues, thats OK."

That "kid" pitching 90+ in HS will be recruited to a school where most of the pitchers in his conference will be doing the same and where many of the players can hit 90+ with no effort.
If he decides to go pro, he will be up against the same scenerio, most likley.
How many players do you guys ACTUALLY think see MLB?
VERY FEW.

It's a personal decision, but in the end the odds for making it are not too great for either pitcher.

OS8. If your son gets drafted, are you going to make the decision to sign for him?
I never I repeat Never gave my son any indication one way or another which way he should go.
Its not my decision.
If he's good enough he will make it.

Heck in my rosey colored world he already has made it. Everything else now is Mashed Potatoes and Gravy with Cranberry sauce. WwwwwwOooooo.EH

EH

Well said---gettingto play college baseball and be on scholarship is a great step--the player is one of a select few ---after that it is all a MAJOR PLUS !!!!

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BTW, what's a prospector?

I think it's a person who searches for gold. Hope that helps.

There are many guys who went from HS and had a year or 2 but like i said there are still other guys who have spent 4+ years in the minors without it. I bet it is closer than I think,mabe 60-40 or somewhere around that. Prospector is a guy who collects cards only of guys who play in the minors.

Cool, never heard that name used in that way. Leb bb, I have a 7th grade son and I can't even imagine him reading and posting on the hsbaseball web. I doubt that he knows what a prospector is, I'm impressed! Keep up the good work!
Just a teeny tip; quite a few of these members have forgotten more baseball than you or I know.

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If a kid feels the need to dominate college players, 90 % of whom will never get to the minor leagues, thats OK.

Geez, OS8, what a mean spirited, and ill informed thing to say. If you sit on a weekend and watch a Pac 10 game between Stanford and Cal/ASU/USC/Arizona/UCLA/Oregon St or Washington, and then follow the players through their 3-4 years of college, you will find upwards of 90% of those in the starting lineups get drafted and play minor league ball. I cannot remember the last scholarship player from Stanford who was not drafted. Same is likely true in the ACC/SEC and Big12, among others.
I read an interview with your son on one of the sites the other day. He seems to have a very healthy attitude and very different approach than the views you express on this site.

I doubt that OS8 meant that quite the way it came out. (I hope anyway)

There have been hundreds (maybe thousands) of kids who thought they would go out and dominate college baseball... Who found out they couldn't do it!

There have been thousands of kids who thought they would make it in professional baseball... Who found out they bit off more than they could chew.

All the certainties in baseball happen later on. There are no right or wrong decisions until the smoke settles.

The need or desire to do something is often met with failure. Nothing wrong with having the need or desire, in fact it is a plus, but there have been early draft picks who never got out of A Ball. There are high school All Americans who failed at the college level. Please don’t ask for examples, because giving those examples is something negative and personal to those who have failed. Just believe that there have been lots of examples.

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All the certainties in baseball happen later on. There are no right or wrong decisions until the smoke settles.

I agree with this for no other reason than it makes intuitive sense to me. The player you are looking at today may be completely different than the one you see tomorrow - good or not as good.

"I doubt that OS8 meant that quite the way it came out. (I hope anyway)"


PG, I guess you didn't read the OS8 flame at the Big 10??? I appreciate your effort to give the benefit of the doubt. I hope you are right. Personally,I have just seen too many posts like this, many deleted later, but enough still remaining, to stand by my comments.

Your comments concerning the lack of certainty in baseball reflect the voice of experience and realism. I was just PM'ing about a local player who started both his freshman and sophomore year. He is a fine player. In comes a transfer and, as a junior, that starter isn't any longer.
The game of baseball, whether played in college or professionally, eventually humbles nearly every single player, and that humility does not care that you were a high school star.

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Infielddad

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Your comments concerning the lack of certainty in baseball reflects the voice of experience and realism.

As a Parent and as a Player you just have to let thing's play out.
Don't put pressure on yourself are your player.
It does no good, And could cause some Damage in the end.
Just let baseball take you as far as you are capable.
If that's HS Great, College Great, Pro's Great.
No Matter what happen's, Just know you gave it your all.
Everybody can live with that.
EH

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Originally posted by PGStaff:

The need or desire to do something is often met with failure. Nothing wrong with having the need or desire, in fact it is a plus, but there have been early draft picks who never got out of A Ball. There are high school All Americans who failed at the college level. Please don’t ask for examples, because giving those examples is something negative and personal to those who have failed. Just believe that there have been lots of examples.

This post exemplifies the true spirit of the HSBBWEB IMO.

Focus on the positive - not the negative.

Focus on the flip side of this baby.

Do not forget the kids who were written off as "baseball garbage" - and who didnt give up - and who are coming back - high and hard and with serious and very passionate intent.

At some point you have to put up - or shut up.

It aint in the papers - its in the game.

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Originally posted by Innocent Bystander:
Cool, never heard that name used in that way. Leb bb, I have a 7th grade son and I can't even imagine him reading and posting on the hsbaseball web. I doubt that he knows what a prospector is, I'm impressed! Keep up the good work!
Just a teeny tip; quite a few of these members have forgotten more baseball than you or I know.

Wow man thanks. I am always sports involved and its pretty much third on my list behind family and school. I have always had an interest in sports. So where does your son play at?

O and also I am a member of nearly 15 sports sites too so you learn stuff easily from other people older than you.

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Originally posted by infielddad:

The game of baseball, whether played in college or professionally, eventually humbles nearly every single player, and that humility does not care that you were a high school star.

It was mean spirited. It also shows he has no clue about the game beyond HS, college or pro.

Lebanon,
Prospectors, hmm, NOW I know where you get all of your valuable info!

I read alot about how easy or insignificant college baseball is at the highest levels, usually written by parents of players still ridng "cheese wagons" in high school. The kid gets to school, usually flunks out, gets red-shirted, "injured" or bats .185 and they never post again. There are reasons they sign 15-20 players a year. It ain't quite as easy as it looks and nobody in college gives a rip what you did in high school.

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The game of baseball, whether played in college or professionally, eventually humbles nearly every single player, and that humility does not care that you were a high school star.

IMO...one of the BEST quotes I have seen to date on the HSBB site.

Obviously, some posters are just biding time waiting for that lesson to hit home. Hopefully, it applies to the parents of those players too

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Originally posted by luvbb:

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The game of baseball, whether played in college or professionally, eventually humbles nearly every single player, and that humility does not care that you were a high school star.

IMO...one of the BEST quotes I have seen to date on the HSBB site.

Obviously, some posters are just biding time waiting for that lesson to hit home. Hopefully, it applies to the parents of those players too

ditto to everything you said there!

"The kid who wants to play pro ball ultimately will have to prove his mettle. if he does it at age 18-21,thats called success professionally speaking"

To be success at pro ball he has to prove him self at 18-21, 22-25,and so on, day after day,year after year.

"that humility does not care that you were a high school star"

and they are ALL high school stars

Answers to your questions:

EH...........I will support his decision. I already attended college.

Those who claim "mean-spirited" read through tainted glasses. I referred to the trend that about only 10% of college kids are re-drafted after 3-4 years of college baseball.

You can surmise what you want to from that. I read that as another form of weeding out players. Those fortunate to get re-drafted may have been better served to start their Pro career out of HS. Only a few bettered their draft position.

I will stick to my claim that a baseballer would become better playing only baseball as much as a college student would get more out of attending by being only a student, in most cases.

Regarding the Big 10, I will stick to my guns. It is a football conference. If you heard what other coaches and scouts have to say about it, you would agree.

Some of you assume that I claim to know about everything relating to college and Pro baseball. Again, clean the eyeglasses.

I am muddling through this daily more than you can imagine. I follow lots of kids from youth into college and pro ball. THEY ARE ALL GOOD.

I applaud all "your owns" accomplishments.

Any yes, the kid in the interview is very opposite to me in most ways, especialy regarding the game of baseball.

But to not misunderstand. I am the parent who attends his games and stands quietly way down the RF line. Not the one who stands behind the backstop giving hitting tips between pitches and questioning the umps.

If anyone comprehends the great game of baseball is based on failures, and the handling of them, it is he.

I suppose that at this time there isn't much more to say. Already covered the recruiting stuff, and Pro stuff. I'm just the parent of a another HS baseball player, not college or pro. I'll leave that expertise up to you folks.

I love being misunderstood!!