Ahh, what financiaL OPPORTUNITY? Most DO NOT MAKE IT TO THE SHOW. MOST do not get 10,000, 100 hundred dollar bills to spend, only a select few.

I am not talking about turning down the BIG bonus here Shep, I are talking about way less than that, in case you didn't read my post.

Shep

Fact is most kids who have the college deal in their contract never go back to college and thus the pro team saves all that money--there is time limit for the player is there not?

Fact is you are a supposed scout and you get paid if the player signs--ergo the "sign son attitude"

Once in a lifetime opportunity---hogwash--the same can be said for a Division I scholarship which enables 17 year old players to mature at a normal pace---Yes there players who are not interested in college but is their thing, perhaps they are not students-- most kids that are draft picks have the choice -- pro or college-- I know how I feel about it but that is me---

I do not agree with your logic, not in the very least

Look at this --why do we have so many facilties run by "ex pro players"/ They never went back to college and will be running facilities for the rest of their life--you say this a good thing ?

I say unless the money is "life changing", I didnt create that term, then you go to college---what is "life changing" is different for each individual player/family

To say it is a once in a lifetime opportunity is wrong, totally wrong !!!!


Do you have a college education ?
How do you earn a living when you are not employed bu a team or the bureau?

Simple questions but yet important?

TR

Yes I have a college education that I completed after being released from professional baseball and I also teach school and received Masters while teaching school. This all came "after" pro ball. As I told you in our phone call, I would appreciate anonymity but guess what, you didn't do that. Why am I not surprised? As I mentioned to you in our conversation, I am not on payroll with the bureau and only help a full-time bureau scout who I have known through the Orioles when I helped another full-time Oriole scout for over 10 years while teaching in GA. Are we all clear on that now? I am an associate but that's about to change, this week. But thanks for commenting, good to know.

TPM

I don't look at this opportunity for a HS draftee to sign as a financial opportunity but let's get realistic.
We're talking about no student loans and being independent for a life of your own unless you have money already which in that case you have the choice to roll the dice. Yea sure, it worked out for Andrew Miller, he was the exception and the planets aligned for his career. Many others never get another chance after HS to sign for higher bonuses and very few increase there value as Miller did.

Peace and Good Night,
Shep

My son has been in the top 10 rounds (twice) so I have had to ponder this, research the odds, and put a pencil to it to try to make it work. I have to agree with TPM; not enough money to give up all college has to offer --- but again that is only one person's opinion. I would never tell you it’s a “no brainer” but I will challenge you to do your homework. Having been around a few minor league players the past few years I see where many of these players are spending their signing bonuses and their spending habits don't seem to jive with someone that is preparing to start (or finish) a college education in a few years. Consider too that college is a "lifestyle" that is tailor made for the 18 year old student athlete just coming out of high school instead of a 25 year old ex-minor league ball player that may be married with a family. Again I can accept a player signing out of high school OR a player going to college but we need to look at what typically happens to players, to signing bonuses, and to college educations and allow that historical data to help us decide what route “we” should take. All I ask is each player look at the dollars offered and realize what you are getting and what you are giving up for that dollar amount.
Fungo

quote:

Fact is you are a supposed scout and you get paid if the player signs--ergo the "sign son attitude"

TR hit, Told you this before! Scouts don't get paid when they sign a player. ALL SCOUTS work on SALARY!

WE have so many facilities run by ex players because there are so many adults who will pay them to use those facilities. It is A BUSINESS just like any other business. Doesn't mater what the business is. Have you looked on the corners lately. There are as many different businesses out there as there is opinions. Weren't you in a business tr hit?

IF YOU MAKE IT ABOUT MONEY>>>>>>go to school.

IF YOU MAKE IT ABOUT OPPROTUNITY>>>>go pro.

bottom line. Just stick to your choice and never look back and make the most of the choice you made.

Vance

Your closing line is the best thing you have said yet !!!!!

quote:

TR hit, Told you this before! Scouts don't get paid when they sign a player. ALL SCOUTS work on SALARY!

All scouts don't work on salary and I can give you about five examples right here on this HSBBW messageboard who are also associates for MLB teams and make there money other ways as I do. TR just loves to post. Look at how many he has

I will not let this thread consume my life today but would like to respond respectfully to Fungo's response.

Fungo, who you kidding? I realize you have an impeccable image here and everybody thinks you hung the moon maybe I do too for the most part, but, I respectfully have rebuttal sir.

What business is it of anybody's what a person does with there signing bonus money?? Who made "us" judge of what a person does or doesn't do in spending habits with there own hard-earned money?? That would be like telling a self-made millionaire..."hey, I don't think you should buy this or that"...give me a break.

In the case of these minor league players you have been around which I certainly do not doubt or cast a shadow on credibilty towards. I believe this is probably the first time many of them have ever had money and you can thank MLB for that occuring. They have been given a stake in life and can drive to the parks, instead of walk. They can spend their own money, instead of beg from mom and dad. They can afford a date, instead of getting left behind at the college dorm. They can have a sense of belonging, instead of being a part of the "have nots". Should I continue? I think everybody gets the gist so I won't but to respond to your request of research. LOW337 started you a thread to look at some stats last night in this forum. Check it out, you may be surprised. My take on what your saying Fungo is there is no amount of money worth by-passing the joys of college and what college has to offer Can you further expound on what the pro draftee and sign is missing out on??? Also, can you also please explain what happens to the college-athlete after this 4-5 year party?? One more thing, can you also tell me where the spending dough is gonna come from when he has absolutely no bargaining power as a college senior if the pros are still interested in the college senior at that point?? Help me understand Fungo since your so quick to side with TPM. Are you two going to take care of the ones who choose college over pro that are flat broke with around 50 thousand dollars of student loans after college?? Just kidding in the "real world" and ultimately the "real world" is centered around a monetary system which requires money to pay for a home or rent, buy groceries and pay the other sometimes very burdensome and numerous bills. You know, like the ones that come from son in college or a car note of a son who is at the campus. Just food for thought and like Vance said, if it's about the opportunity, sign and play pro. I would like to add while at the same time enjoying the trimmings of independence given to you. Don't sign if your only in it for the money. You can get the best of both worlds. peace, Shep

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DRAFT 2006
SIGNING BONUSES, Top 10 Rounds
FIRST ROUND
1 Royals Luke Hochevar RHP $3,500,000
2 Rockies Greg Reynolds RHP $3,250,000
3 Devil Rays Evan Longoria 3B $3,000,000
4 Pirates Brad Lincoln RHP $2,750,000
5 Mariners Brandon Morrow RHP $2,450,000
6 Tigers Andrew Miller LHP $3,550,000
7 Dodgers Clayton Kershaw LHP $2,300,000
8 Reds Drew Stubbs OF $2,000,000
9 Orioles Billy Rowell SS $2,100,000
10 Giants Tim Lincecum RHP $2,025,000
11 Diamondbacks Max Scherzer RHP Unsigned
12 Rangers Kasey Kiser LHP $1,600,000
13 Cubs Tyler Colvin OF $1,475,000
14 Blue Jays Travis Snider OF $1,700,000
15 Nationals Chris Marrero 3B $1,625,000
16 Brewers Jeremy Jeffress RHP $1,550,000
17 Padres Matt Antonelli 3B $1,575,000
18 Phillies Kyle Drabek RHP 1,550,000
19 Marlins Brett Sinkbeil RHP $1,525,000
20 Twins Chris Parmelee OF $1,500,000
21 Yankees Ian Kennedy RHP $2,250,000
22 Nationals Colton Willems RHP $1,425,000
23 Astros Max Sapp C $1,400,000
24 Braves Cody Johnson OF $1,375,000
25 Angels Hank Conger C $1,350,000
26 Dodgers Bryan Morris RHP $1,325,000
27 Red Sox Jason Place OF $1,300,000
28 Red Sox Daniel Bard RHP Unsigned
29 White Sox Kyle McCulloch RHP $1,050,000
30 Cardinals Adam Ottavino RHP $950,000
FIRST ROUND SUPPLEMENTAL
31 Dodgers Preston Mattingly SS $1,000,000
32 Orioles Pedro Beato RHP $1,000,000
33 Giants Emmanuel Burriss SS $1,000,000
34 Diamondbacks Brooks Brown RHP $900,000
35 Padres Kyler Burke OF $950,000
36 Marlins Chris Coghlan 3B $950,000
37 Phillies Adrian Cardenas SS $925,000
38 Braves Cory Rasmus RHP $900,000
39 Indians David Huff LHP $900,000
40 Red Sox Kris Johnson LHP $850,000
41 Yankees Joba Chamberlain RHP Unsigned
42 Cardinals Chris Perez RHP $800,000
43 Braves Steve Evarts LHP $800,000
44 Red Sox Caleb Clay RHP $775,000
SECOND ROUND
45 Royals Jason Taylor SS $762,500
46 Rockies David Christensen OF $750,000
47 Devil Rays Josh Butler RHP $725,000
48 Pirates Mike Felix LHP $725,000
49 Mariners Chris Tillman RHP $680,000
50 Tigers Ronnie Bourquin 3B $690,000
51 Braves Jeff Locke LHP $675,000
52 Reds Sean Watson RHP $670,000
53 Padres Chad Huffman 1B $660,000
54 Cardinals Brad Furnish LHP $600,000
55 Diamondbacks Brett Anderson LHP Unsigned
56 Indians Steven Wright RHP $630,000
57 Indians Josh Rodriguez 3B $625,000
58 Orioles Ryan Adams SS $675,000
59 Nationals Sean Black RHP Unsigned
60 Brewers Brent Brewer SS $600,000
61 Padres Wade LeBlanc LHP $590,000
62 Mets Kevin Mulvey RHP Unsigned
63 Marlins Tom Hickman OF $575,000
64 Twins Joe Benson OF $575,000
65 Phillies Andrew Carpenter RHP $570,000
66 Athletics Trevor Cahill RHP $560,000
67 Astros Sergio Perez RHP $550,000
68 Braves Dustin Evans RHP $530,000
69 Indians Wes Hodges 3B $1,000,000
70 Nationals Stephen Englund SS $515,000
71 Red Sox Justin Masterson RHP $510,000
72 Braves Chase Fontaine SS $500,000
73 White Sox Matt Long RHP $330,000
74 Cardinals Jon Jay OF $480,000
SECOND ROUND SUPPLEMENTAL
75 Indians Matt McBride C $445,000
76 Cardinals Mark Hamilton 1B $465,000
THIRD ROUND
77 Royals Blake Wood RHP $460,000
78 Rockies Keith Weiser LHP $455,000
79 Devil Rays Nick Fuller RHP Unsigned
80 Pirates Shelby Ford 2B $450,000
81 Mariners Tony Butler LHP $445,000
82 Tigers Brennan Boesch OF $445,000
83 Red Sox Aaron Bates 1B $440,000
84 Reds Chris Valaika SS $437,500
85 Orioles Zach Britton LHP $435,000
86 Diamondbacks Dallas Buck RHP $250,000
87 Diamondbacks Cyle Hankerd OF $430,000
88 Rangers Chad Tracy C $427,500
89 Giants Clayton Tanner LHP $425,000
90 Marlins Torre Langley C $422,500
91 Nationals Stephen King SS Unsigned
92 Brewers Cole Gillespie OF $417,500
93 Padres Cedric Hunter OF $415,000
94 Mets Joe Smith RHP $410,000
95 Marlins Scott Cousins OF $407,500
96 Twins Tyler Robertson LHP $405,500
97 Phillies Jason Donald SS $400,000
98 Athletics Matt Sulentic OF $395,000
99 Astros Nick Moresi OF $390,000
100 Braves Chad Rodgers LHP $385,000
101 Indians Adam Davis SS $380,000
102 Angels Russ Moldenhauer OF Unsigned
103 Red Sox Bryce Cox RHP $250,000
104 Yankees Zach McAllister RHP $368,000
105 White Sox Justin Edwards LHP $310,000
106 Cardinals Gary Daley RHP $325,000
FOURTH ROUND
107 Royals Derrick Robinson OF $850,000
108 Rockies Craig Baker RHP $265,000
109 Devil Rays Alex Cobb RHP SIGNED
110 Pirates Jared Hughes RHP $305,000
111 Mariners Ricky Orta RHP $270,000
112 Tigers Ryan Strieby 1B $295,000
113 Dodgers Kyle Orr 1B Unsigned
114 Reds Justin Reed OF $287,000
115 Orioles Blake Davis SS $282,500
116 Giants Ben Snyder LHP $280,000
117 Diamondbacks Bryant Thompson RHP $225,500
118 Rangers Marcus Lemon SS $1,000,000
119 Twins Whit Robbins 1B $265,000
120 Blue Jays Brandon Magee RHP $155,000
121 Nationals Glenn Gibson LHP Unsigned
122 Brewers Evan Anundsen RHP $282,000
123 Padres Nate Culp LHP $257,500
124 Mets John Holdzkom RHP $210,000
125 Marlins Hector Correa RHP $252,000
126 Twins Garrett Olson 3B $250,000
127 Phillies D'Arby Myers OF $250,000
128 Athletics Chad Lee RHP $245,000
129 Astros Chris Johnson 1B $242,500
130 Braves Lee Hyde LHP $235,000
131 Indians Ryan Morris LHP $500,000
132 Angels Clay Fuller OF $227,500
133 Red Sox Jon Still C $225,000
134 Yankees Colin Curtis OF $450,000
135 White Sox Tyler Reves C $160,000
136 Cardinals Eddie Degerman RHP $100,000
FIFTH ROUND
137 Royals Jason Godin RHP $210,000
138 Rockies Helder Velazquez SS $209,000
139 Devil Rays Shawn O'Malley SS $200,000
140 Pirates Patrick Bresnehan RHP $202,500
141 Mariners Nathan Adcock RHP $200,000
142 Tigers Scott Sizemore 2B $197,500
143 Dodgers Kyle Smit RHP $175,000
144 Reds Josh Ravin RHP $200,000
145 Orioles Tyler Henson SS $185,000
146 Giants Michael McBryde OF $180,000
147 Diamondbacks Hector Ambriz RHP $160,000
148 Rangers Chris Davis 1B $172,500
149 Cubs Jeff Samardzija RHP $7,250,000
150 Blue Jays Luke Hopkins 1B $172,500
151 Nationals Cory VanAllen LHP $170,500
152 Brewers Chris Errecart OF $166,000
153 Padres Andy Underwood RHP $167,500
154 Mets Stephen Holmes RHP $168,000
155 Marlins Chris Hatcher C $167,000
156 Twins Devin Shepherd OF Unsigned
157 Phillies Quentin Berry OF $165,000
158 Athletics Jermaine Mitchell OF $155,000
159 Astros Casey Hudspeth RHP $163,000
160 Braves Kevin Gunderson LHP $162,000
161 Indians Chris Archer RHP $161,000
162 Angels Ken Herndon RHP $157,500
163 Red Sox Dustin Richardson LHP $107,000
164 Yankees George Kontos RHP $158,000
165 White Sox John Shelby 2B $157,000
166 Cardinals Shane Robinson OF $175,000
SIXTH ROUND
167 Royals Harold Mozingo RHP $165,000
168 Rockies Kevin Clark OF $150,000
169 Devil Rays Nevin Ashley C $150,000
170 Pirates Jim Negrych 2B $150,000
171 Mariners Adam Moore C $140,000
172 Tigers Jordan Newton C $155,000
173 Dodgers Garrett White LHP $110,000
174 Reds Jordan Smith RHP $152,500
175 Orioles Jason Berken RHP $155,000
176 Giants Ryan Rohlinger SS $40,000
177 Diamondbacks Joey Side OF $145,000
178 Rangers Jacob Brigham RHP $200,000
179 Cubs Josh Lansford 3B $155,000
180 Blue Jays Brian Jeroloman C $165,000
181 Nationals Zech Zinicola RHP $147,500
182 Brewers Brae Wright LHP $31,500
183 Padres Tim Bascom RHP $140,000
184 Mets Scott Schafer RHP $140,000
185 Marlins Justin Jacobs SS $150,000
186 Twins Jeff Christy C $25,000
187 Phillies Dan Brauer LHP $150,000
188 Athletics Andrew Bailey RHP $135,000
189 Astros Bud Norris RHP $140,000
190 Braves Steve Figueroa RHP $125,000
191 Indians Austin Creps RHP $145,000
192 Angels Robert Fish LHP $140,000
193 Red Sox Zach Daeges 3B $30,000
194 Yankees Mitch Hilligoss SS $130,000
195 White Sox Brian Omogrosso RHP $105,000
196 Cardinals Tyler Norrick LHP $45,000
SEVENTH ROUND
197 Royals Brett Bigler OF $130,000
198 Rockies Michael McKenry C $135,000
199 Devil Rays Reid Ryan RHP $145,000
200 Pirates Austin McClune OF $140,000
201 Mariners Doug Fister RHP $50,000
202 Tigers Jonah Nickerson RHP $150,000
203 Dodgers Jaime Ortiz 1B $115,000
204 Reds Justin Turner 2B $50,000
205 Orioles Josh Tamba RHP $142,500
206 Giants Brett Pill 1B $130,000
207 Diamondbacks Daniel Stange RHP $115,000
208 Rangers Grant Gerrard OF $27,500
209 Cubs Steve Clevenger SS $130,000
210 Blue Jays Jon Baksh OF $122,500
211 Nationals Sam Brown RHP Unsigned
212 Brewers Andy Bouchie C $115,000
213 Padres Craig Cooper 1B $25,000
214 Mets Daniel Stegall OF $145,000
215 Marlins Don Czyz RHP $30,000
216 Twins Jonathan Waltenbury 1B Unsigned
217 Phillies Charlie Yarbrough 1B $110,000
218 Athletics Michael Leake RHP Unsigned
219 Astros David Qualben LHP $115,000
220 Braves Adam Coe 3B $107,200
221 Indians Robbie Alcombrack C $160,000
222 Angels Jarrad Page OF Unsigned
223 Red Sox Kris Negron SS $105,000
224 Yankees Tim Norton RHP $85,000
225 White Sox Justin Cassel RHP $88,000
226 Cardinals Luke Gorsett OF $60,000
EIGHTH ROUND
227 Royals Josh Cribb RHP $75,000
228 Rockies Brandon Hynick RHP $90,000
229 Devil Rays Tyree Hayes RHP $127,500
230 Pirates Alex Presley OF $95,000
231 Mariners Steve Richard RHP $70,000
232 Tigers Chris Cody LHP $25,000
233 Dodgers Tommy Giles OF $25,000
234 Reds Travis Webb LHP $90,000
235 Orioles Jedidiah Stephen SS $25,000
236 Giants Matt Klimas C $80,000
237 Diamondbacks Chase Christianson RHP $82,500
238 Rangers Josh Bradbury OF $85,000
239 Cubs Billy Muldowney RHP $98,500
240 Blue Jays Dan O'Brien LHP $90,000
241 Nationals Sean Rooney C $90,000
242 Brewers Shane Hill RHP $145,000
243 Padres Tom King SS $60,000
244 Mets Nathan Hedrick RHP $140,000
245 Marlins Daniel Garcia SS $90,000
246 Twins Brian Dinkelman 2B $13,000
247 Phillies T.J. Warren OF $92,500
248 Athletics Angel Sierra OF $75,000
249 Astros Jimmy Van Ostrand OF $40,000
250 Braves Casey Beck RHP $100,000
251 Indians Mike Eisenberg RHP $83,500
252 Angels Matt Sweeney C $75,000
253 Red Sox Rafael Cabreja OF $65,000
254 Yankees Dellin Betances RHP $1,000,000
255 White Sox Kent Gerst OF $75,000
256 Cardinals Allen Craig SS $15,000
NINTH ROUND
257 Royals Marc Maddox 1B $50,000
258 Rockies Will Harris RHP $16,000
259 Devil Rays Eligio Sonoqui 1B $90,000
260 Pirates Steve McFarland RHP $76,000
261 Mariners Justin Souza RHP $65,000
262 Tigers Zach Piccola LHP $80,000
263 Dodgers Bridger Hunt 3B $60,000
264 Reds Jeremy Burchett RHP $25,000
265 Orioles Brett Bordes LHP $23,500
266 Giants Brian Bocock SS $72,500
267 Diamondbacks Eddie Romero LHP $75,000
268 Rangers Brennan Garr RHP $65,000
269 Cubs Cliff Anderson OF $155,000
270 Blue Jays Cole Figueroa SS Unsigned
271 Nationals Joey Rosas LHP Unsigned
272 Brewers Shawn Ferguson RHP $10,000
273 Padres David Freese 3B $6,000
274 Mets Jeremy Barfield OF Unsigned
275 Marlins John Raynor OF $17,500
276 Twins Sean Land LHP $70,000
277 Phillies Andrew Cruse RHP $75,000
278 Athletics Danny Hamblin 1B Unsigned
279 Astros Greg Buchanan 2B $30,000
280 Braves Tim Gustafson RHP Unsigned
281 Indians Jared Goedert 3B $70,000
282 Angels Nate Boman LHP Unsigned
283 Red Sox Ryan Kalish OF Unsigned
284 Yankees Mark Melancon RHP Unsigned
285 White Sox Chris Duffy 3B Unsigned
286 Cardinals Matt North RHP $150,000
TENTH ROUND
287 Royals Nick Van Stratten OF $65,000
288 Rockies David Arnold RHP $65,000
289 Devil Rays Desmond Jennings OF $150,000
290 Pirates Charles Benoit LHP $55,000
291 Mariners Chris Minaker SS $20,000
292 Tigers Lauren Gagnier RHP $67,000
293 Dodgers Andy D'Alessio 1B Unsigned
294 Reds Josh Roenicke RHP $20,000
295 Orioles Emeel Salem OF Unsigned
296 Giants Ryan Paul LHP $60,000
297 Diamondbacks Tony Barnette RHP $10,000
298 Rangers Craig Gentry OF $10,000
299 Cubs Jake Renshaw RHP $60,000
300 Blue Jays Scott Campbell 2B $65,000
301 Nationals Marcus Salmon C Unsigned
302 Brewers Mike McClendon RHP $60,000
303 Padres Kody Valverde C $3,000
304 Mets Phillips Orta RHP Unsigned
305 Marlins Graham Taylor LHP $10,000
306 Twins Jared Mitchell OF Unsigned
307 Phillies Sam Walls RHP $50,000
308 Athletics Christian Vitters SS $55,000
309 Astros Nathan Karns RHP Unsigned
310 Braves Kris Medlen RHP $85,000
311 Indians Paalo Espino RHP Unsigned
312 Angels Leonardo Calderon LHP SIGNED
313 Red Sox Kyle Snyder RHP Unsigned
314 Yankees Casey Erickson RHP $80,000
315 White Sox Lee Cruz OF $25,000
316 Cardinals Blair Erickson RHP UNSIGNED


Here are the bonuses again. Most of the substantial bonuses are HS signs. Have a great day board and remember Shep cares and peace to all, especially you Fungo

Shep, full time scouts are Salary only. Part time scouts get paid a min. amount like 3-10 thousand + 500.00 dollars if they recommend a player. BUT if the MLSB turns in the player that the part time guy recomends then the part time guy doesn't get the 500.00 dollars.

SHEP, An Associatte scout is not an employee of the organization. He is enlisted by the area scout to help cover the area scouts area. If you make your money other ways, Thats fine. BUT SHEP....you do not make money or a living when you sign a player. NO SCOUT DOES! Scouts DON"T GET A BONUS WHEN THEY SIGN A PLAYER.

Vance, I beg to differ. You have no idea what your talking about. The Baltimore Orioles had a nice incentive program for bonuses for associates when the player signs and for each level of progression. Like to A then AA and AAA and ultimately Big Leagues. This may have changed with the Orioles but I served them faithfully for about 11 years with those exact same incentives written on my associates contract and the full-time scout I was working for may have been responsble for paying it because I did receive some bonuses, directly from him. Who are you anyway Vance? A moderator thinks your Richard or Linear/infopimp/etc..etc..You seem to be focused on stirring the pot here pal. Later, peace, Shep

Shep, BEG all you want. The fact is this.

Associatte scouts are not employees of the team they help. They help the area scout. They get 500 bucks if they recomend a player and the club signs him...BUT ONLY IF THE MLSB HASN"T TURNED IN THE PLAYER! and ONLY IF THAT PLAYER ALSO IS RETAINED FOR 90 DAYS OF THE SEASON.

SHEP, associatte scouts NO LONGER get compensation when a player moves up from A to AA to AAA. Those were the OLD DAYS!

Old Slugger. Correct. They(associate scout) has a full time day job (whatever that may be)and helps the area guy because of his love for the game after his work hours.

AND you'll not see many area scouts paying 500 bucks out of their pockets to an Associatte scout either. That 500 bucks gets paid for by a check from the front office of the team that the full time scout works for.

The MLSB turns in everybody now a days so I'd bet there wasn't 5 checks combined by all the clubs that were paid out to an associate scout this past year.

Vance34,

You are only one, you have your opinions, and I have mine. Mine are based on facts and your's are based on heresay.

Since you will not identify yourself to the board, I'm out pal, snipe all you want because I have a scouting trip to prepare for that I bet you won't be eligible to attend. Have a good day Vance-Richard-Linear...whoever.

Vance34, till you identify yourself, I cannot in good faith believe a word you say. I did get your PM but that doesn't tell me who you are.
Later Gator, Peace from the Shep

Shep, I have a copy of an Associate Scout contract. Let me email it to you. That way you'll know its not opinion or hearsay. Its fact!

I also have a scout trip today and one you'd have to buy a ticket to.

quote:

Originally posted by Vance34:

IF YOU MAKE IT ABOUT MONEY>>>>>>go to school.

IF YOU MAKE IT ABOUT OPPROTUNITY>>>>go pro.

bottom line. Just stick to your choice and never look back and make the most of the choice you made.

I agree. And I certainly wouldn't want my son to sign and get money so he can buy me a new dishwasher
I would only wish that many would be able to sign in an early round, for the opportunity of being a better prospect with his/their organizations (though that IS NOT always the case). Bonus is to make your life a bit more comforable. Getting placed on a 25 man roster is the icing on the cake,should be the ultimate goal, then all good things come and you can buy your mom either a dishwasher or a house.
In case you didn't notice, large portion who made good on signing bonus were out of college, early rounds. The money drops significantly in the fifth.
I resent your remarks to Fungo. Before I began posting, he was one of the parents who often gave advice, mostly always presenting both sides of the issue. I have learned a lot from him, as one parent to another, much more than he will ever know. He last sentence is essentially what he has always stated.
Shep,
It seems to me you are suggesting someone signs only for the bonus. That's a great suggestion if it was a perfect world.
ML players average time is 4 years in the majors. Arod, Bonds, Maddux, Clemens, Sheffield, etc. are exceptions to that time.

Young players (HS) and their families need to understand the system, how it works, how long it takes to get to where you want to go, what you have to do to get there, then make a very important decision that will impact the rest of his life. Presenting bonus round money to a young player is not appropriate to make him sign, unless of course it's for a significant amount. He should want to sign because he wants to play ball and be a PROFESSIONAL. He should want to sign because he prefers that be his choice, after doing homework. He should want to sign whether he was given a 1000 dollars or a million. Any second thoughts about it, go to school.
Yes, parents of college students and their parents have to make significant contributions. I am thinking if son signed out of HS for what was offered, as Dad 04 suggests below, I would still be making the car payment.

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OS8,
Good criteria.

quote:

Don't know about ya'll, but I could pay for several college educations in top ten round money for most draft and signs I see here on PG Cross-Checkers list.

quote:

He has an opportunity to give back to his parents and have a self-supporting life of his own. Family of his own with a lifetime of wages to get started with.

quote:

Just think about the following: wife, kids, house, bank account, job, help my mom get a dishwasher or maybe even buy her a house for all she has done...Don't deny yourself this ONCE IN A LIFETIME OPPORTUNITY if that chance comes, take it!

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We're talking about no student loans and being independent for a life of your own

Shep, I appreciate your rebuttal but I see it as nothing more than the opinion of someone with a vested interest in promoting professional baseball over a college education. Re-read my post. I make no suggestion as to HOW a player should or should not spend their signing bonus. However your posts do suggest they spend that money on college educations and dishwashers and houses for their mothers. I say it is their money and they can spend it as they wish --- as most do. It has been discussed at length on the HSBBW that few players start and complete their college education AFTER professional baseball --- There are a few exceptions with you being one and I commend you for your accomplishment.
I don't have data to support my view that more players go to college first and then into pro ball than would go to pro ball out of high school and then on to college after they were released. Like I said I have no data but I would still wager my signing bonus against your college degree that I'm right.

Shep

The only bonus amount relevant to a draftee is the amount on his contract, not what somebody last year got. Most of the kids signing are not getting rich, but actually struggling to survive financially on their bonus and $1100 a month during the season.

Frankly, I'm not sure many of them are actual professional athletes. If mom's still paying you car payment you are not a professional athlete, imo.

This topic seems to come up here a few times each year. I’ve never understood the debate. People will do whatever they want if the opportunity exists. And whatever they do, is good enough for me!

Many times I’ve been asked to give advice to parents regarding this topic of Pro vs College. The standard answer (possibly someone on here has heard it) Can’t advise… one way or the other. Why? Because no matter what advice you might give it could turn out to be the wrong advise!... In any particular case, for many different reasons!

The only good advice is to consider everything and make a decision and live with it!

There are thousands of high school kids who would gladly give up college to play professional baseball. Not for the money, but for the opportunity! There are many who would not give up college for anything. Neither way is wrong!

While money is very important… It’s an individual thing… I really like those kids who are willing to play for practically nothing. In this day and age it might not be very wise, but there are lots of kids who don’t want to do anything more than just play baseball. Might be risky, but is there anything wrong with that? I wish there were even more of those kind. Oddly enough some of those types end up getting the big bonus’ anyway. There really are kids who have received millions of dollars that would have signed for very little! We know lots of them! Being signable can, and often does, have it’s advantages!