Report: Bonds, Giambi, Sheffield received steroids

http://www.ajc.com/braves/content/sports/braves/0204/02bonds.html

Hmm.
Maybe we should have saved the asterisk given to Maris for breaking Ruth's single season mark of 60 in more games. The "chemically enhanced" record-breakers seem much more deserving.

Does anyone have a picture of Bonds as a rookie, and another one of him during the past couple of years?

It would be very interesting to see the difference.

I am not trying to imply anything, I am just curious!

I think it would be more educational to see pictures taken every year or so. Compare a picture of yourself now with one twenty years ago - what would you see?

D'oh!

Twice the shadow of my former self.

Rocket

Have you ever seen pictures of Mickey Mantle when he was a rookie and again at the end of his career ??

TRhit

barry bonds

http://www.baseball-reference/b/bondsba01.shtml

I find this quote interesting:

Bonds' attorney, Michael Rains, told the Chronicle: "We continue to adamantly deny that Barry was provided, furnished or supplied any of those substances at any time by Greg Anderson."

Funny Barry's attorney only said Anderson did not furnish Barry those substances. Sounds like Clintonese for somebody else supplied the goods.

you are looking for truth from a lawyer

Good points by all!


I just remember that ESPN(I think)showed a couple of picture of him comparing several years ago to recent years. Like I said, I am not implying that he did this by taking steroids (Any one who lifts weights will get bigger!!!!). I just thought it was amazing to see the difference. I believe the pictures that I am asking for would help us to understand the difference in the game of baseball today. I believe the increased number of homeruns has more to do with the strength of today's players than we give it credit for.

TR

Mantle was strong as an ox when he signed as a teenager and his power declined later in his career. His "conditioning program" was done at places like Toots Shors which will never be confused with Gold's Gym. Nobody ever accused Mantle as being fitter at the end of his career than at the beginning. Ruth went from big to bigger,but mostly around the waist. Bonds and Giambi were skinny contact hitters before their metamorphisis. Just imagine if Ruth and Mantle had access to today's technology and the disipline to train.

Let's not bash the lawyers too quickly.....

Last week's news carried a picture of Greg Maddux as a rookie and as a new member of the Cubs-amazing how he filled out in 18 years, and nobody is accusing or suspecting of him. I too am troubled by the seemingly ballooning of size in a short time that inevitably is chemical-aided, but there are legitimate instances of real growth. The troubling aspect is how it seemingly appears in a very short period of time. Line up the picture of Bonds, Giambi, Macguire, etc. for every year of their career and I suspect you'll see a big change at some point from one year to the next.

The newspaper report, here we go again with guys looking to get headlines, said they were sent stuff--- nobody has said they used it--in fact I read one report where Bonds trainer said that Bonds refused him when he offered it

OO7 when Mantle came up he was a strong boy--when he left the game he was a strong man--there is a difference in the body maturities

He also trained at the Copa quite often

TRhit

hokie

It can be done with GNC supplements and rigid work our regimen--they don't need steriods to get the bodies they got

TRhit

an excerpt from the article reads....Serra also said that Bonds "never took anything illegal" and that the slugger was offered -- but rejected -- a substance at the heart of the government's case..... does this contradict the article in itself ? or that what they took was a performance enhancing drug that was not illegal? some one please explain!

Who says they took illegal drugs ??? BALCO also manufactures legal vitamin supplements etc

Anyone can suspect and surmise!!!!

TRhit

Bonds is about as innocent as OJ Simpson

is creatine a performance enhancing substance? if so how many high school and college athletes have altered thier abilities through the use of it? if he took illegal substances then he deserves what he gets just like sammy! but if they werent illegal then is it any different than the supplements we but at gnc?

Creatine is used in work out regimens to help recovery within the body. You can call it a performance enhancer if you wish

The material that BIG MAC was taking in St Louis was known for supposedly preventing muscle tears--keep in mind that his home run record year was one of the few seasons he was not our with back problems and muscle problems

You could call that a performance enhancer because it kept BIG MAC healthy. But any of us can buy these items in any health store.

TRhit

I'm trying to find that shot of Babe Ruth drinking a whey protein shake with cigar in hand in Life magazine circa 1933. Just can't seem to find it.