..but knew up front that such a topic also puts us in a "room full of toes"...any step in any direction is going to step on some...virtually any post that is made with an intention at discussion is going to step on someones...
As far as avoiding mashing toes I suppose we all could learn some lessons from the best!
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Posts: 8536 | Location: western suburbs of Chicago | Registered: June 07, 2005
I agree with you O44. It was bound to get contentious and I thought that it would as soon as I saw it. I still found it interesting. It gave some real insight to me on how folks look at something like this (and in a way, what they think is important in picking a program) from different angles. I guess I knew that anyways, but I got a little deeper insight into it and it kind of got me thinking about my own views of such things.
I'm not sure the topic is terribly important in the grand scheme of things. But its still interesting to read everyone's thoughts...at least for me it was.
Four years ago no one would have put Oregon State on that list, yet they rose up and pounded a sledgehammer into their place on it. Four years ago I thought it was a given that my son would pitch in the CWS. Hasn't happened...yet.
From my angle on these things (today...could change tomorrow ), a top-40 program is one my sons (or daughters) can play in, be challenged, contribute and be happy. A top-40 college in general would be one that he/she can be challenged, find a niche academically and socially, enjoy the campus life and be successful (different answer for each of my kids).
But in general, which is I think what PGStaff had in mind, a "top-40 baseball program" is probably one that has most of the following: a winning tradition, stability, a sustained record of kids moving on to the pros, good facilities, quality coaching and a consistently highly desired destination by the top players.
In a football sense, I wish my Cincinnati Bearcats fit into that category, but they do not (yet ). They were a very good team this past year, but I don't see them as a top-40 football program at all. In fact, I would say the recently weak Stanford football team isn't either but they are much closer to a top-40 program even though they would have been hammered this past year by Cincinnati.
Hope that all makes sense. But I'll bet I offended someone. Sorry.
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Posts: 3639 | Location: California | Registered: June 22, 2003
...I still found it interesting. It gave some real insight to me on how folks look at something like this (and in a way, what they think is important in picking a program) from different angles. I guess I knew that anyways, but I got a little deeper insight into it and it kind of got me thinking about my own views of such things.
I'm not sure the topic is terribly important in the grand scheme of things. But its still interesting to read everyone's thoughts...at least for me it was.
Four years ago no one would have put Oregon State on that list, yet they rose up and pounded a sledgehammer into their place on it. Four years ago I thought it was a given that my son would pitch in the CWS. Hasn't happened...yet.
From my angle on these things (today...could change tomorrow ), a top-40 program is one my sons (or daughters) can play in, be challenged, contribute and be happy. A top-40 college in general would be one that he/she can be challenged, find a niche academically and socially, enjoy the campus life and be successful (different answer for each of my kids).
But in general, which is I think what PGStaff had in mind, a "top-40 baseball program" is probably one that has most of the following: a winning tradition, stability, a sustained record of kids moving on to the pros, good facilities, quality coaching and a consistently highly desired destination by the top players.
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Posts: 2216 | Location: CA | Registered: May 15, 2005
44 no reason to appologize. I agree with what you said. I have a different view of top 40 and look at it simple as what have you done lately and who is leaving and who is coming in. It is a best guess for what you expect this coming season. If you are talking about top 40 recruiting wise then nmany other factors come into play.
Also I would rather play against them than with them. playing well has a bigger meaning when you play against them especially for pitchers.
Posts: 4141 | Location: Canada | Registered: October 13, 2005
Also I would rather play against them than with them. playing well has a bigger meaning when you play against them especially for pitchers.
I agree with you Bobblehead- Although I'm sure my son would have went to one of these schools if heavily recruited by one of them, he is excited to be where he is at and has the opportunity to play against the big boys like the Texas Longhorns, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma Sooners, Alabama, TCU, Texas A&m and Baylor, all on his schedule this year.
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"
Thought I would throw the last one in there for the Bearkats. Personally, I still remember the Big O going against Loyola of Chicago, but I might be a bit lonely with that recall? I used to practice incessantly with that jump shot. Problem was I couldn't jump, wasn't 6'6", couldn't control the ball with one hand...well, you get it. When you think he averaged a triple double...for the season, you realize how great, and under appreciated he was..along with Jack Twyman?
While I respect that each of us view this through very different eyes, to me, it isn't who you play that is the measurement, it is how you perform, no matter who is the opponent.
'You don't have to be a great player to play in the major leagues, you've got to be a good one every day.'
Posts: 2051 | Location: ca | Registered: February 11, 2003
I don't know if anybody noticed, but Coastal Carolina IS included?!
"There are three types of people in the world: those who watch things happen, those who wonder what happened, and those WHO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN!" -- The Man
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), a top-40 program is one my sons (or daughters) can play in, be challenged, contribute and be happy. A top-40 college in general would be one that he/she can be challenged, find a niche academically and socially, enjoy the campus life and be successful (different answer for each of my kids).
). They were a very good team this past year, but I don't see them as a top-40 football program at all. In fact, I would say the recently weak Stanford football team isn't either but they are much closer to a top-40 program even though they would have been hammered this past year by Cincinnati.
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I used to practice incessantly with that jump shot. Problem was I couldn't jump, wasn't 6'6", couldn't control the ball with one hand...well, you get it. When you think he averaged a triple double...for the season, you realize how great, and under appreciated he was..along with Jack Twyman? 
