With all due respect, please reread what I wrote, this time with emphasis on comprehension.
If your son had in mind the school in question as a SOPHOMORE, then you are in a very small minority.
When we lived in Indiana, the only schools on my son's mind were Notre Dame, Purdue and Indiana. And at that time he occasionally played pickup basketball with several members of Valparaiso's Sweet 16 basketball team of years ago. His hockey-playing friends in the Chicago area weren't considering Bradley (my alma mater, for the record), they were looking at Illinois and Northwestern, then everybody else.
Where a kid CHOOSES to go can be that so-called dream school, but more often is not. It, hopefully, is the RIGHT school, based on "fit." But, usually, the DREAM school is different.
I use Coastal Carolina because that is the school most often used in this discussion. Just as easily could be Stetson, or East Carolina, or probably a dozen others, which I think we all can agree are in this peer group.
But for the hard of reading, it seems these schools in a winter Top 40 program discussion almost always fall, and will fall, below those "I-A football power conference" schools and, if you think about it, often even below schools like those in the Ivy League.
Those schools usually are the FIRST choice. Not necessarily the BEST choice.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by OldVaman: I use Coastal Carolina because that is the school most often used in this discussion. Just as easily could be Stetson, or East Carolina, or probably a dozen others, which I think we all can agree are in this peer group.
If you really think that Stetson and East Carolina are programs similar to Coastal's then I think my response to your earlier post was correct.
If you don't know what you're talking about you shouldn't be insulting other programs.
Posts: 169 | Location: Kansas City | Registered: December 15, 2005
With all due respect, please reread what I wrote, this time with emphasis on comprehension.
If your son had in mind the school in question as a SOPHOMORE, then you are in a very small minority.
When we lived in Indiana, the only schools on my son's mind were Notre Dame, Purdue and Indiana. And at that time he occasionally played pickup basketball with several members of Valparaiso's Sweet 16 basketball team of years ago. His hockey-playing friends in the Chicago area weren't considering Bradley (my alma mater, for the record), they were looking at Illinois and Northwestern, then everybody else.
Where a kid CHOOSES to go can be that so-called dream school, but more often is not. It, hopefully, is the RIGHT school, based on "fit." But, usually, the DREAM school is different.
I use Coastal Carolina because that is the school most often used in this discussion. Just as easily could be Stetson, or East Carolina, or probably a dozen others, which I think we all can agree are in this peer group.
But for the hard of reading, it seems these schools in a winter Top 40 program discussion almost always fall, and will fall, below those "I-A football power conference" schools and, if you think about it, often even below schools like those in the Ivy League.
Those schools usually are the FIRST choice. Not necessarily the BEST choice.
Implying that we are too stupid (or cannot read correctly) to understand your lame-brained hypothetical does not fly here sir. Lets see if we can understand the brilliance:
10th grader would never dream of going to a lowly school like Coastal as his "dream" school initially because they are just not thought of the same way (by 10th graders) such as a "real" dream school like a major football power conference school or an IVY league school, or yada, yada, yada. We understood the point the first time and it still comes across as a slam because you even said you were not going to be "PC" in the original post.
Frankly, this whole knuckleheaded conversation is starting to sound like sour grapes to me. None of us care (at least baseballregie and me) what a 10th grader thinks since it is unrelated to this topic. We have no way of knowing for sure and who the heck cares. It appears the hypothetical may have been invented to sweeten grapes that must taste so very bitter at this point in time (free Dr. Phil advice - lose the attitude). You can now cite US News and World Reports on Coastal's academic reputation (very good in Marine Sciences btw) but I assure you, it is indeed a dream school for a baseball player.
If you take what I've written as a slam, then I feel sorry for you.
Clearly you are a tad touchy on the subject. You seem to have the need to defend something that is not the subject of attack, but conversational debate.
A Top-40 team is not necessarily a top-40 program is not necessarily a top-40 school. I happen to believe the definition of a top-40 program is one that is attractive to would-be recruits even before they do any serious investigation.
With that in mind, I don't think many schools from non-power conferences measure up. To hope to break onto that list, a school needs in my mind at least 10 years of sustained national-level success, possibly more.
If you see that as some sort of sour grapes, again, I feel sorry for you. I hope someday you find a level of comfort that some of us already have. My guess is that, as soon as your child is no longer part of the equation, that might begin to happen.
OLDV you are sounding foolish every time you post on this thread. I have been to Coastal and it is a school many would love to attend. It is a nationally ranked school with a successful program. Not sure what your point is.
Posts: 4141 | Location: Canada | Registered: October 13, 2005
Maybe I'm crazy, but I think I can relate to nearly all of the points of view on this thread. They all, at least in part, make some sense to me and I could see siding with them depending on real-life experiences. I didn't read every word or every single post, but I don't see much foolishness in most of the posts.
There are programs I wouldn't want my sons to play for, but it has nothing to do with rankings or top-40 or bottom-40. Location, academics (different for each kid of mine), campus, facilities, opportunities, coaching staff, etc... (finding a place where my son could grow up and look back on college with a great big smile) are more important IMO.
I thought it was a fun topic to throw out there PGStaff and its been fun to read.
But where are the Bearcats? ............
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Posts: 3639 | Location: California | Registered: June 22, 2003
Thank you for your concern. I am crying cyber-uncle. Please know that you have the last word and that you have won the debate.
Can we talk about Army now?
How about Charleston Southern?
Anyone else care to discuss their son's program? A piece of paper with numbers on it does not define a player or a team. Is anyone out there just dying to break out and say something? Do you hate this topic? Do you believe your son's team has a chance to show people what they are made of? Do you believe your son's team has been snubbed? I know what that feels like and it is great motivation for an athlete to prove'em wrong.
Originally posted by justbaseball: Maybe I'm crazy, but I think I can relate to nearly all of the points of view on this thread. They all, at least in part, make some sense to me and I could see siding with them depending on real-life experiences. I didn't read every word or every single post, but I don't see much foolishness in most of the posts.
There are programs I wouldn't want my sons to play for, but it has nothing to do with rankings or top-40 or bottom-40. Location, academics (different for each kid of mine), campus, facilities, opportunities, coaching staff, etc... (finding a place where my son could grow up and look back on college with a great big smile) are more important IMO.
I thought it was a fun topic to throw out there PGStaff and its been fun to read.
But where are the Bearcats? ............
Just - We think alike. I suggest folks consider what's a fit for them and not from a list when choosing a college. Agree though, this has been an interesting topic to follow.
As far as that Cincy - I thought their baseball program was on the rise. The coaching staff seemed well respected and a gorgeous new field and stadium a few years ago. However, I've known several kids go there and leave for various reasons. Perhaps they'll continue to make positive strides though and build that program upward - we'll see.
Posts: 5352 | Location: Kentucky | Registered: December 30, 2004
PG crosscheckers ranked Coastal 44th so someone must wamt to go there.
Rival has them ranked 23rd in the nation.
TOP 100 TEAMS Compiled by Allan Simpson/Jeff Simpson
1. ARIZONA 2. ARIZONA STATE 3. TEXAS 4. MIAMI (Fla.) 5. VANDERBILT 6. SOUTH CAROLINA 7. UCLA 8. SAN DIEGO 9. MISSISSIPPI 10. MISSOURI 11. NORTH CAROLINA 12. WICHITA STATE 13. FLORIDA STATE 14. OKLAHOMA STATE 15. MICHIGAN 16. OREGON STATE 17. BAYLOR 18. VIRGINIA 19. RICE 20. AUBURN 21. LONG BEACH STATE 22. CLEMSON 23. CALIFORNIA 24. GEORGIA 25. CAL STATE FULLERTON 26. TEXAS A&M 27. FRESNO STATE 28. PEPPERDINE 29. GEORGIA TECH 30. KENTUCKY 31. SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA 32. ARKANSAS 33. NORTH CAROLINA STATE 34. LOUISIANA-LAFAYETTE 35. OLD DOMINION 36. COLLEGE OF CHARLESTON 37. MISSISSIPPI STATE 38. ST. JOHN’S 39. TULANE 40. LOUISVILLE 41. STANFORD 42. LOUISIANA STATE 43. KENT STATE 44. COASTAL CAROLINA 45. OKLAHOMA 46. WAKE FOREST 47. EAST CAROLINA 48. CAL POLY 49. NOTRE DAME 50. KANSAS STATE 51. TEXAS CHRISTIAN 52. UC RIVERSIDE 53. SOUTHERN ILLINOIS 54. STETSON 55. LOUISIANA TECH 56. UC IRVINE 57. SAN DIEGO STATE 58. ALABAMA 59. SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI 60. WESTERN CAROLINA 61. CREIGHTON 62. NEBRASKA 63. CHARLOTTE 64. CENTRAL FLORIDA 65. NEW ORLEANS 66. **** ROBERTS 67. FLORIDA ATLANTIC 68. FLORIDA 69. WASHINGTON STATE 70. OHIO STATE 71. HAWAII 72. PENN STATE 73. RUTGERS 74. MINNESOTA 75. CENTRAL MICHIGAN 76. TENNESSEE 77. SOUTH FLORIDA 78. TEXAS TECH 79. WASHINGTON 80. NEVADA 81. VIRGINIA COMMONWEALTH 82. BRIGHAM YOUNG 83. KENNESAW STATE 84. PURDUE 85. SANTA CLARA 86. SOUTH ALABAMA 87. SAN JOSE STATE 88. TEXAS STATE 89. TROY 90. GEORGIA SOUTHERN 91. KANSAS 92. JACKSONVILLE 93. SAM HOUSTON STATE 94. CINCINNATI 95. UNC WILMINGTON 96. CONNECTICUT 97. NEW MEXICO 98. MICHIGAN STATE 99. GONZAGA 100. RICHMOND
Posts: 4141 | Location: Canada | Registered: October 13, 2005
Rivals gave CC a good review, expecting them to host again. BA claims they left them out of the top 25 (see the chat log) until they could see them play, based on their pitching rotation.
I don't think that they are not highly regarded as a force in college baseball.
IMO, I think that it's better to work your way up the rankings than down.
Posts: 10719 | Location: South Florida | Registered: July 28, 2003
IMO, I think that it's better to work your way up the rankings than down.
Well it depends really...
TOP 100 TEAMS Compiled by Allan Simpson/Jeff Simpson
100. RICHMOND 99. GONZAGA 98. MICHIGAN STATE 97. NEW MEXICO 96. CONNECTICUT 95. UNC WILMINGTON 94. CINCINNATI 93. SAM HOUSTON STATE 92. JACKSONVILLE 91. KANSAS 90. GEORGIA SOUTHERN 89. TROY 88. TEXAS STATE 87. SAN JOSE STATE 86. SOUTH ALABAMA 85. SANTA CLARA 84. PURDUE 83. KENNESAW STATE 82. BRIGHAM YOUNG 81. VIRGINIA COMMONWEALTH 80. NEVADA 79. WASHINGTON 78. TEXAS TECH 77. SOUTH FLORIDA 76. TENNESSEE 75. CENTRAL MICHIGAN 74. MINNESOTA 73. RUTGERS 72. PENN STATE 71. HAWAII 70. OHIO STATE 69. WASHINGTON STATE 68. FLORIDA 67. FLORIDA ATLANTIC 66. ROBERTS 65. NEW ORLEANS 64. CENTRAL FLORIDA 63. CHARLOTTE 62. NEBRASKA 61. CREIGHTON 60. WESTERN CAROLINA 59. SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI 58. ALABAMA 57. SAN DIEGO STATE 56. UC IRVINE 55. LOUISIANA TECH 54. STETSON 53. SOUTHERN ILLINOIS 52. UC RIVERSIDE 51. TEXAS CHRISTIAN 50. KANSAS STATE 49. NOTRE DAME 48. CAL POLY 47. EAST CAROLINA 46. WAKE FOREST 45. OKLAHOMA 44. COASTAL CAROLINA 43. KENT STATE 42. LOUISIANA STATE 41. STANFORD 40. LOUISVILLE 39. TULANE 38. ST. JOHN’S 37. MISSISSIPPI STATE 36. COLLEGE OF CHARLESTON 35. OLD DOMINION 34. LOUISIANA-LAFAYETTE 33. NORTH CAROLINA STATE 32. ARKANSAS 31. SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA 30. KENTUCKY 29. GEORGIA TECH 28. PEPPERDINE 27. FRESNO STATE 26. TEXAS A&M 25. CAL STATE FULLERTON 24. GEORGIA 23. CALIFORNIA 22. CLEMSON 21. LONG BEACH STATE 20. AUBURN 19. RICE 18. VIRGINIA 17. BAYLOR 16. OREGON STATE 15. MICHIGAN 14. OKLAHOMA STATE 13. FLORIDA STATE 12. WICHITA STATE 11. NORTH CAROLINA 10. MISSOURI 9. MISSISSIPPI 8. SAN DIEGO 7. UCLA 6. SOUTH CAROLINA 5. VANDERBILT 4. MIAMI (Fla.) 3. TEXAS 2. ARIZONA STATE 1. ARIZONA
Posts: 8536 | Location: western suburbs of Chicago | Registered: June 07, 2005
I am certain that the initial post in this thread was well intentioned and a topic well worth an interesting disucussion...
...but knew up front that such a topic also puts us in a "room full of toes"...any step in any direction is going to step on some...virtually any post that is made with an intention at discussion is going to step on someones...
Controversy and emotion comes with this territory...
Tread lightly...
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Posts: 2216 | Location: CA | Registered: May 15, 2005
O44 I agree but the comments made no sense to me. They realy had nothing to do with the discussion as far as a personal opinion about what other people think about CC. How does he know hat people think out side his limited circle of players ? There are lots of colleges I never heard of until my son went to college and actually after he went. One guy I know well went to CC. He was drafted 2times before he went and just got drafted out of CC. He could have gone any where. I just feel the remarks were un called for. Most guys reaserch and pick colleges based on their own requirements. Top team was not veven a consideration. If it was CC would be a good choice.
Posts: 4141 | Location: Canada | Registered: October 13, 2005
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