Love College of Charleston. They have been ranked as high as 17th in the nation. Certainly mentioned them in the other top 100 thread. Love everything to do with Charleston. Also VMI deserves some consideration. last year they had a great season and were ranked 3oth by some poles.
Posts: 4141 | Location: Canada | Registered: October 13, 2005
At a minimum, a team that makes regionals just about every year can argue they ought to at least be considered top 64 in the country.
With maybe 3 or 4 exceptions. Not to be argumentative but the basic flaw is the weakest conference's champion, regular season or tourney, gets a bid. Without being specific, some of those flukey 4 seeds are not so good. They might have a tough time beating the 10th best SEC team 1 game in 10. Basicly, that is a good idea though.
On field performance is a good place to start. RPI/ISR over extended period of time, consistancy of making regionals, draftees, coaching, facilities, attendence are all worthy considerations.
I am not as concerned about being on the mythical list as the trend line for my program. Are we getting better generally? I think that is important also. I also see college baseball improving generally in exposure and interest. There are lots of good programs, with more to come, hopefully.
Posts: 4783 | Location: Florida | Registered: December 26, 2002
The day after the game, there was an article with Coach Gilmore expressing his thoughts on the loss. In that article he identified what he knew was an issue in the loss factor. Pitching. With that in mind, I know he has done a great job of recruiting, with having to go up against the two powerhouses in South Carolina and the other powerhouses in near by states.
College of Charleston is very good, but they lack that spark that Coastal has, what they call the "s e x y" factor, so does Winthrop and a lot of other teams that could be considered contenders.
This factor makes Coastal very appealing to recruits and will work in their rankings, when all the parts fit together.
I don't think that you (or others) should feel badly about other opinions, unless someone says something negative or misunderstood regarding your player. If your son is happy and having the time of his life, that is what is most important.
Heck, you should have been here when I first announced that son was headed to Clemson, some felt the need to rip the entire program, coaches and players to bits and pieces. I let it go by, and eventually had the last laugh in the end.
Posts: 10719 | Location: South Florida | Registered: July 28, 2003
If you got to rate college BB programs the only thing that should be considered is the past performance, and players leaving and coming. Facilities etc have nothing to do with ranking.
Posts: 4141 | Location: Canada | Registered: October 13, 2005
Oldvaman - I think you meant to direct your post to ClevelandDad and not Michael'sDad.
Your previous post was far from obvious and appeared as a slam. Look, if your point that the majority of kids dream of the SEC or ACC before a mid-major program then make that point - don't use a specific school as your example to prove an unprovable point. The fact is you don't know what some kids dream about. You are surmising based on what you perceive "most" kids dream about. I understand what you are saying on some level but don't see the need to pick out any particular program (perceived to be less than your perceived dream school) to make that point. I suppose we could go round and round on this You say tomato and I say tomoto...
Was your son recruited or did he try out there btw? You seem to know a lot about the program and seem to have some pretty strong opinions. Are there hard feelings about something? I am not quite sure why I feel like we are mixing it up like this
My point is that obviously new baseball palaces are used as recruiting tools. The best players in the country seem to prefer playing in the best ball parks. LSU is spending $40 million on a new ball park. I'm sure they did it for some reason. You won't get the best players to play in a dump. We can certainly disagree though.
Posts: 4783 | Location: Florida | Registered: December 26, 2002
You have an amazing grasp of the obvious. And yes, you do need to lighten up.
But since you clearly want me to be serious, Yes, my son was good enough to play at Coastal Carolina. No, he did not go there.
But I stand by what I said about dream schools. Coastal Carolina is a good school with a fine baseball program. But I submit the overwhemling majority of high school players in South Carolina, with the possible exception of Conway, dream first of playing at South Carolina or Clemson before considering Coastal.
That, to me, is the point of this not-meant-be-be-serious exercise. Ask a kid in Virginia and he's going to mention U.Va. and Virginia Tech (and Tech certainly is not Top 40 baseball program by most reasonable measures). William and Mary, a destination school by any definition, doesn't make the cut. Kids from Virginia go to Coastal Carolina, and very happily, but it probably isn't their dream school in their sophomore year.
Go state by state. That will answer your question. Those answers might surprise you. Only upon deeper investigation do schools like Coastal Carolina come to the forefront.
Is it reality in terms of facilities, competition, schedule, etc.? Well, no. But the Top 40 are those schools talked about in the sophomore year, before the recruiting process really begins.
Sorry but I don't think you know what you're talking about. I'm from the midwest and my son had a chance to play for several D1s including Missouri but chose Coastal. Because YOU don't know who the better D1s out there are doesn't mean that others don't.
Posts: 169 | Location: Kansas City | Registered: December 15, 2005
At a minimum, a team that makes regionals just about every year can argue they ought to at least be considered top 64 in the country.
With maybe 3 or 4 exceptions. Not to be argumentative but the basic flaw is the weakest conference's champion, regular season or tourney, gets a bid. Without being specific, some of those flukey 4 seeds are not so good. They might have a tough time beating the 10th best SEC team 1 game in 10. Basicly, that is a good idea though.
On field performance is a good place to start. RPI/ISR over extended period of time, consistancy of making regionals, draftees, coaching, facilities, attendence are all worthy considerations.
I am not as concerned about being on the mythical list as the trend line for my program. Are we getting better generally? I think that is important also. I also see college baseball improving generally in exposure and interest. There are lots of good programs, with more to come, hopefully.
Totally agree. I kind of assumed that. I am guessing a team that squeaks in like that is going to find it difficult to repeat that success over time. Even so, they can still make the argument. We don't have to believe them however
No one has mentioned Louisianna LaFayette - they are really good and are an Omaha contender imho!
If your son is happy and having the time of his life, that is what is most important.
That's it right there. Mine is at a school that is on nobody's top 40, and not likely to make that jump anytime soon. But they can play with anyone and send multiple guys to the pros every year. Lists are for the over-rated, or soon to be over-rated. It's where you finish. JMHO
"There are two kinds of people in this game: those who are humble and those who are about to be." Clint Hurdle
Posts: 1658 | Location: New Mexico | Registered: January 22, 2006
But they can play with anyone and send multiple guys to the pros every year. Lists are for the over-rated, or soon to be over-rated. It's where you finish. JMHO
You are correct on all counts. My son played there two years ago in a tournament. The only game they lost was to UH. The quality of baseball is excellent there.
Posts: 4783 | Location: Florida | Registered: December 26, 2002
On field performance is a good place to start. RPI/ISR over extended period of time, consistancy of making regionals, draftees, coaching, facilities, attendence are all worthy considerations
Got the impression you thought it was. Next year LSU may have a great recruiting class which would reflect in their raking .
Posts: 4141 | Location: Canada | Registered: October 13, 2005
Well PG, If you were trying to build a discussion on a quiet board you certainly succeded. Maybe next time you should post the "Top 40 College Publicity Department Programs." Because before I found the HSBBWeb I did not know of a lot of the quality programs that were out there butI knew every team on your list. They obviously have better publicist.
Hustle never has a bad day.
Posts: 461 | Location: Phoenix AZ | Registered: May 02, 2007
On field performance is a good place to start. RPI/ISR over extended period of time, consistancy of making regionals, draftees, coaching, facilities, attendence are all worthy considerations
Got the impression you thought it was. Next year LSU may have a great recruiting class which would reflect in their raking .
They signed 8 draftees last year. Hopefully thats good enough.
Posts: 4783 | Location: Florida | Registered: December 26, 2002
My point is that obviously new baseball palaces are used as recruiting tools. The best players in the country seem to prefer playing in the best ball parks. LSU is spending $40 million on a new ball park. I'm sure they did it for some reason. You won't get the best players to play in a dump. We can certainly disagree though.
Point well made.
Wow if you think there are recruiting wars going on in South Carolina, wait until you see the new USC facilities.
Posts: 10719 | Location: South Florida | Registered: July 28, 2003
Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll: Personally I love LSU and have followed 3 guys my son played against who go there. They have always had good recruits.
Facilities are important but not for rating a schools performance. Cart before the horse..
LSU isn't mentioned in any preseason polls. Supposedly they are loaded again with a ton of talent, which most agreed had gotten thin since Skip Bertman left the dugout. They have a young recruiting coordinator Terry Rooney, often mentioned in the same sentence with Sully from Clemson, now running the Florida Gators. If they sold stock in LSU baseball, I would buy big.
Posts: 4783 | Location: Florida | Registered: December 26, 2002
I let it go by, and eventually had the last laugh in the end. 
You say tomato and I say tomoto...
