It's kind of quirky here, some school boards hire the assistant coaches separately from the head coach but most allow the head coach to bring in his own assistants...seems to work out better that way. What a program doesn't need is a mole, or quizzling that is undermining the head coach due to the fact the head coach wasn't able to bring in his guys that he can trust to be loyal to him and the program that he wants to implement.
IMHO the coach is the "skipper", ie., captain of the ship. In a storm, if he is a good skipper he puts out a droog shute and goes with the wind or flounders. In other words he finds a tried and true method of dealing with his problem or he will get fired...its inevitable.
In private industry we require managers who are not meeting their targets to attend adhoc meetings where the issues are identified and solutions provided with a plan of action to remedial correction of the problems. One of his peers needs to talk to him, someone of higher authority in the coaching profession that he respects...type of venue, invite over the house for dinner and a beer.
I'm sorry, but it's up to the coach to find a way to improve his team...there are all manner of avenues available to this coach to take corrective action with a team with this dismal a record.
The fact that he is still at the school says alot about the schools attitude toward the players.
The coach may be a peach of a guy, but that's not what he was hired for...he is a teacher of baseball, first, than a molder of young men, he is getting an "F" as the teacher, don't know his grade as a molder.
quote:Originally posted by GABall: We have a coach that is allowing a player on the team that is not HS caliber. The problem is that his position is catcher. This kid was brought up as a sophmore to varsity last year and mid season he was the starter.
We are all scratching our heads at trying to figure this out. His through downs are over 2.2 sec.. His 60's are greater than 7.5s and he bats below 200. There are beter players on the team for catcher, but they are kept down on JV.
We went 4-22 last year and the whole team is very discourged about this player on the team. He is a goofoff and does not work hard on the field or in the weight room.
No one wants to confront the coach for fear the coach cutting their kid.
How do you deal with this ?
I believe the coach has got to given the benefit of any doubt. He was hired to do a job like all the rest of us and must be given the space to do it without being second guessed all the time. At the end of each season he should be reviewed by his AD as to his performance as a coach and mentor. His boss like my boss would decide his future, not a bunch of grumbling parents. JMHO.
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Posts: 804 | Location: Vicksburg, MS | Registered: December 05, 2003
Moc 1 I have had this situation come up. A parent has come to me and said that they had heard that some of the kids are smoking drinking beer and in some cases using marijuana. I ask them what are their sources and they say "I would rather not get into that". I tell them thanks for the information I will handle the situation. What I have done is address the team as a whole and not the individuals that the parent has singled out. I give them the speech about the school policy and the fact that these actions are not acceptable and not good for them period. I take no punitive action based on a rumor. I will administer drug tests for all the team members including the coachs if the rumors persist. I also tell the parent that is telling me this that they need to be very carefull about spreading these rumors because they might have to back it up with sources if need be. I have gone to players individually when I have heard rumors about a specific player from teachers and other coachs. You have to be carefull about ulterior motives from parents and other players. You have to make sure that you give every benefit of the doubt to the accused player before you make accusations.
To go a little further, one of the assistant coaches remarked that he doesn't understant why this player is on the team. The assist. coach just said its the head coaches descion and what a joke.
This player does not impact my son's playing time at all. I just see the impact it has on the team.
Posts: 30 | Location: Norcross,GA,USA | Registered: July 13, 2003
We have touched on many interesting topics in this thread.TR Hit is correct in saying if there is not a lot of talent,no one will win.The biggest problem I have is that I don't think that putting the best team on the field is a priority-all of the off the field nonsense is more important to the coach than actual performance.A good player on this type of team is handicapped by the fact that NO SCOUTS will ever see one his games and the reputation of the school taints him when trying out for local select teams.As for the drugs and alcohol, my son tells me what goes on-kids that come to practice high,putting tequila in gatorade and drinking it before a game,etc.I have not and will not ever tell the coach about it-he is always preaching to them about it,but is incapable of discovering anything because it might upset some of his favorites.If all of the kids can figure it out,why can't he?
Posts: 107 | Location: Dallas,Texas,USA | Registered: January 04, 2003
Everything is wrong with this team, if an assistant coach is talking about the head coach decisions, plus the problems you say, the solution here is to move to other school, other county, or other city, or get together with the other parents and go to the Athletics director. Coach can not do nothing against the whole team.
"Peace is, the respect for the other people's rights". Benito Juarez
I would tell someone...if these kids get in a car after a game under the influence well...
And I do know what you're talking about...during football we had a couple of guys who obviously had coordination issues (be it alcohol or drugs) when allowed to leave campus and return to school for the games...so coaches started having them stay (entire team) and not go home...to help offset this situation...
At your school, with such leadership in place it's a difficult place to be...
I would have do some gathering of facts and ask for help from another staff leader at the school who really might care about these kids...
Posts: 1742 | Location: New Boston, Texas | Registered: December 27, 2002
Gosh, I would think that the coaches who should be a players mentor would be doing something besides keeping them late if they coordination issues. I would think above all, they should look to get these kids some counseling i.e. drug/alcohol rehab. Someone needs to step in and get them help. Baseball or Football should be the least of their concerns at this point. The coaches should be going to their parents and telling them their fears of drug/alcohol abuse. I certainly dont think that a parent should be talking to the coach about another player, but if it was my kid I would hope and pray that the coach would tell me, so I could get him some help. Don't have my kid stay late because he has coordination issues, call me and tell me he does. I will do something.
Posts: 421 | Location: Somewherein, California | Registered: October 08, 2003
this situation runs much deeper than I might want to share on an open forum...but let's just say it's not a good situation to say the least...
Unfortunately, a couple of these boys are in some sad situations and yet, they are great athletes...and have contributed on the field, but will they make it as successful people once they graduate?
Makes me think we're failing them somehow?
Seems like our priorities are out of order...
Posts: 1742 | Location: New Boston, Texas | Registered: December 27, 2002
