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quote: What is your response to my assertion that there is no such thing as teaching, there is only learning?
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| Posts: 719 | Location: NJ | Registered: October 27, 2007 | |
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quote: As a youth coach, say on the small diamond, what do you see as your coaching responsibilities?
quote: Daque
Daque I agree 100% with you small diamond and a hill of beans amount to the same thing. Coaches have a responsibility to provide a fun environment, and create opportunities for those willing to learn. On the small diamond If you not playing ball and having fun, you got nothing, and don't know it. |
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| Posts: 27 | Location: Ofallon Mo USA | Registered: September 24, 2003 | |
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quote: Well..... you can't teach, until willing to learn has been demonstrated.
The neat thing is at that point you don't need to teach, just assist them to take advantage of their opportunities as they learn. Here is an example. A kid has established himself as a willing and eager learner due in large part to your guidance. As the head coach, you are running a travel team. You play three days a week, occasionally four on weekend tournaments. The other days of the week, now that the playing part of the season has started the boys have free. For this kid, you have provided him opportunities to play against good quaity competition and to measure himself against them. But at the same time, you have deprived him of the opportunities of practicing and improving. You have deprived him of the balance between playing and practicing necessary to develop his talents. While he is learning, you did not provide an optimum balance between playing and practicing. As a result, under your watch, his development has been stunted. We could talk about such things as over-coaching, unproductive practices, a lack of fun, and development of the mental side of the game but I think you get the drift. |
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| Posts: 250 | Location: ttt | Registered: August 12, 2007 | |
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Under the scenario below you are not a coach. You are a manager. A youth coach's primary responsibility should be to keep kids in baseball. The way you do that is teaching skills that allow them to have success on the field. Making it fun is a big part of your job. It's easier to teach them if they're having fun while learning. But the kid has to achieve some sort of success in games. Just having fun in practice will not keep him in baseball. If the kid ain't having success during games he'll soon move on to lacrosse. quote: Originally posted by Daque:
The neat thing is at that point you don't need to teach, just assist them to take advantage of their opportunities as they learn.
Here is an example. A kid has established himself as a willing and eager learner due in large part to your guidance. As the head coach, you are running a travel team. You play three days a week, occasionally four on weekend tournaments. The other days of the week, now that the playing part of the season has started the boys have free.
For this kid, you have provided him opportunities to play against good quaity competition and to measure himself against them. But at the same time, you have deprived him of the opportunities of practicing and improving. You have deprived him of the balance between playing and practicing necessary to develop his talents. While he is learning, you did not provide an optimum balance between playing and practicing. As a result, under your watch, his development has been stunted.
We could talk about such things as over-coaching, unproductive practices, a lack of fun, and development of the mental side of the game but I think you get the drift.
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| Posts: 193 | Location: South Carolina | Registered: January 10, 2003 | |
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quote: Daque
Auhg this is where we seperate. 1. Getting a field these days to practice is like pulling hens teeth. The ones that do, have made there own fields at here houses on acreage. 2.Lots of times it cheaper to play a game, than to rent a field, if you can get one. And I'll show you players all day long making plays in practice, and those same players booting 7 out of 10 in a game. More kids are given more opportunities for game plays. Yes practice is good, but today, a higher balance toward playing is being forced because of field availability, cost, and time. And I'm not sure that's all bad since these games don't mean anything anyway. :] |
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| Posts: 27 | Location: Ofallon Mo USA | Registered: September 24, 2003 | |
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Daque, first of all Confusious didn't say that as far as I know. Just kidding. Second, you say you can't teach, people can only learn. Then you go on to say the following: quote: OK, for the faint of heart I shall begin. If indeed Confucious said that he was wrong. A good teacher stimulates the student to think, to reason, and to ask. A good teacher provides opportunities for the student to learn. He is not threatened when the student disagrees, or asks, "why" because he knows the answers. A wise student takes advantage of the opportunities presented. An unwise student does not and suffers the consequences of his foolish behavior.
Maybe what you are talking about is what kind of teacher you are or what style do you use to teach. Do you lecture students/players on game theory, strategy etc.. or do you provide them with an environment to learn from their own experience and mistakes? Either way, you are teaching and therefore your initial argument is flawed. Even in a situation where the leader or teacher provides an environment for the student/player to learn, they are still a teacher - just using a different style of teaching. |
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| Posts: 534 | Location: Roswell, Ga. | Registered: July 20, 2007 | |
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quote: Either way, you are teaching and therefore your initial argument is flawed.
The term teacher is commonly used. It means one who teaches, sure enough. However it is the approach that is different. Here in Mexico I am called maestro or professor. What I am called does not change how I go about assisting a player to learn. I know that is confusing and sounds like double speak. When I review with a catcher the difference between the primary receiving position and the seconday, I make sure he understands the why part of the equation and I answer his questions if he has any. I will concede that I do inform the player and when he asks questions then he is learning. I do nothing that smacks of indoctrination or, :because I said so." What I try to do at all times is to encourage the player to inquire. He is then free to accept or reject the advice as he sees fit. As to my system and terms being flawed, we will leave that observation where it lays. Enjoy your day. |
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| Posts: 250 | Location: ttt | Registered: August 12, 2007 | |
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