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http://www.yaleherald.com/archive/xxviii/1999.09.03/sports/p25bialik.htmlI personally saw the pictures of Molina and later got to know him. He was much farther away from the plate than 30 ft. Please leave it Professional baseball to teach or order throwing at players. It has no part in Little League / High School / College baseball. They are not equiped to handle how to do it properly nor brawls that can follow. Please discourage it.
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| Posts: 462 | Location: Indiana | Registered: January 31, 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by LOW337:
LT said:
I want one of you guys (TR or Texan) to tell Tiger he needs to get rabbit ears when the camera click goes off at the top of his backswing.
Larry,
Golfers would not mind any noise if crowd noise was part of the game. Which it is not. Not a good comparison.
Jeff said:
I or no one I have coached with has ever told a pitcher to hit a batter. But I would never tell a pitcher not to hit one if he needed to.
Jeff,
Completely insane. I am very qualified to speak on this subject. Baseball has been my only job my whole life....Not discouraging KIDS from throwing at hitters is crazy. They don't know where the ball is going. Someone could get hit in the face/head and be seriously hurt. There is no part of throwing at guys in any organized baseball unless it is PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL.
There they throw at guys to protect their own. To protect the way the game is to be played. To keep opposing team from being disrespectful from showing other players up. .....has no part in the game of which you speak......remember Wichita State/Evansville????....the kid could have been killed!!!!!.....as in dead......Some people are unreal.......
As far as the chatter thing.....come on.....if it's not personal let them play...they are just having fun.....as said before....much ado about nothing......
I would be more concerned about all of the IGNORANT things I've heard Little League coaches say/teach Little League players......and you guys are worried about a KID SAYING TO ANOTHER KID...."hey batter batter..".....and OH MY GOD....HE JUST TOLD LITTLE JOHNNY TO SWING.....come on.....teach them how to run cuts/relays....rundowns.....bunt defense.....PLAY CATCH.....so men like Tex don't have to RETEACH THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!........
LOW...have you been to a little league baseball game in a while? Noise is not a factor. It would not have been a good comparison had I made this thread about pro ball. This being little league, the TIGER comment is right on point. I would say the guys who played 17-18 for me for 15 years learned how to "run cuts/relays....rundowns.....bunt defense.....PLAY CATCH.....", and didn't have to yell swing during the batter's AB either. |
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| Posts: 754 | Location: Mt. Airy, MD, USA | Registered: December 28, 2003 | |
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quote: Originally posted by LOW337:
The kids grow out of it....
fans cheer at little league games....it is not totally quiet when a kid hits..........
It is totally quiet at a golf match prior to them hitting the ball....
comparison not goood.....
I do this for a living.....i wouldn't let you near my team or child......
You do what for a living? You wouldn't let me near your team or kids? |
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| Posts: 754 | Location: Mt. Airy, MD, USA | Registered: December 28, 2003 | |
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I've always taught my kids that chatter is a HUGE part of baseball. BUT it is not part of the game to talk to the other team. Chatter is necessary to keep you and your teammates up and into the game. Talk to your teammates, talk to yourself, talk to the ground. Just don't talk to the other team.
Around here the youngsters used to yell "Rally, Rally, Pitcher's Name is Sally!" Obviously that would go against my teaching. So they came up with "Rally, Rally, Hit it in the Alley!"
Sounds good right? We found an umpire that told my team to stop yelling that chant because it sounds like the "Sally" one. I thought that was a little much.
We also had an umpire who said "Quit chanting, you're giving me a headache." Now, that one, I agreed with!
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| Posts: 1349 | Location: Illinois | Registered: January 30, 2006 | |
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There are more than one or two things that occur at 9-12 that you don't see at HS or above, in case you haven't noticed.
"Show me a guy who won't pitch inside and I'll show you a loser" Sandy Koufax
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| Posts: 4133 | Location: Texas, USA | Registered: June 02, 2003 | |
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quote: Originally posted by DPElite99:
If chanting or yelling at opposing players is "part of baseball", how come you don't see it in high school and above? If it takes that kind of behavior to win a game then the team must not have a lot going for it in the talent and hustle departments!
You're missing what Texan, TR and myself are talking about....The kids outgrow it.....It's fun to them and harmless to others.....Let them have a little fun.....trust me, they would much rather play the game by themselves and have fun doing so....they are 8 and 9 yrs old....let them be 8 and 9......it will only promote the type of behavior you let it promote.....just because they chant h b b b s b doesn't mean they will become bush league punks......I promise.... |
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| Posts: 462 | Location: Indiana | Registered: January 31, 2006 | |
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larry I did not know that this was a contest---you asked for opinions and you got them---what more do you want ? You are unreal--ask a question and turn it into a contest---
TRhit
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| Posts: 19293 | Location: Manchester, CT USA | Registered: December 26, 2002 | |
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Larry, I guess every one has a different view. I always told my boys that if the other team wants to say stuff like that - they should oblige them - and swing if the pitch is in the zone. And hit it into the parking lot behind the centerfield fence. Then - the next time they are up - the other team just might change their chant to - "Dont swing batter batter - please dont swing". LOL
You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton, Ball Four, 1970
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| Posts: 5809 | Location: Huntersville,NC | Registered: December 27, 2002 | |
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quote: Originally posted by TRhit:
larry
I did not know that this was a contest---you asked for opinions and you got them---what more do you want ?
You are unreal--ask a question and turn it into a contest---
Poor phrasing on my part...I don't think of it as a contest. On one side, I have seasoned baseball people saying one thing...and on the other side, I have parents of little kids saying the exact opposite. Since I believe I have earned the right to think of myself as a seasoned baseball guy, you can see where I am in quite a pickle on this one. I mean geez, I agree with the parents. |
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| Posts: 754 | Location: Mt. Airy, MD, USA | Registered: December 28, 2003 | |
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quote: Originally posted by itsinthegame:
Larry,
I guess every one has a different view.
I always told my boys that if the other team wants to say stuff like that - they should oblige them - and swing if the pitch is in the zone. And hit it into the parking lot behind the centerfield fence.
Then - the next time they are up - the other team just might change their chant to - "Dont swing batter batter - please dont swing".
LOL
Actions are always a way to get mouths closed...no doubt about it. |
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| Posts: 754 | Location: Mt. Airy, MD, USA | Registered: December 28, 2003 | |
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quote: Originally posted by DPElite99:
If chanting or yelling at opposing players is "part of baseball", how come you don't see it in high school and above?
Those kids in Florida must be a heck of a lot more polite than our California boys! Or perhaps you just haven't been seated close enough to the field at a HS or college game in order to hear it? Chanting isn't done, but some very distracting words are routinely uttered at games. |
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| Posts: 555 | Location: Belmont, CA | Registered: April 01, 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by 3FingeredGlove: quote: Originally posted by DPElite99:
If chanting or yelling at opposing players is "part of baseball", how come you don't see it in high school and above?
Those kids in Florida must be a heck of a lot more polite than our California boys! Or perhaps you just haven't been seated close enough to the field at a HS or college game in order to hear it? Chanting isn't done, but some very distracting words are routinely uttered at games.
I'd like to hear more about it. Please continue... |
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| Posts: 754 | Location: Mt. Airy, MD, USA | Registered: December 28, 2003 | |
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The HS regular season is over, and my son's team had a potluck dinner tonight. So I asked other parents for some examples.
Both HS and college players (and some student spectators) go to Facebook or MySpace, and collect info about players' girlfriends. Just the name and a little creativity can cause real consternation.
If an opposing player is heavier than usual for a baseball player, he'll be unpleasantly reminded of it. And if he makes a mental error, then perhaps "Your waist is bigger than your IQ!"
An example from 3-4 years ago: Opposing pitcher started the last game of the season with a two year HS W-L record of 32-0. As he came up to bat in the bottom of the 7th, trailing 1-0 on an extremely unearned run, he was greeted with the deafening and unrelenting chant of "32 and 1", "32 and 1".
If an opposing pitcher's control is off, following a pitch in the dirt or to the backstop, a team may erupt, in a variety of intonations, the chorus "Ball!" and "Ball!", followed by silence broken by a single cooed "Ball?"
Speaking of balls, if a batter jumps out of the path of an inside pitch, his own team may point out that they have ice. The opposing team or other students may suggest "We just threw you a ball; one more and you'll have a pair!"
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| Posts: 555 | Location: Belmont, CA | Registered: April 01, 2006 | |
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