larry

I respectfully disagree with you

I like "chatter stuff" as you term it but I am not buddies with any of my players---once you are a buddy you are not the coach any longer--

Hey batter is not addressing the opponent in a negative light. Unless one is part of the PC crowd, I guess.

If bantering gets out of hand, the coach has failed. If the coach fails, the blue is there to do his job. There are all types of behavior that can get out of hand - left unchecked. So should we just lock the kids up until they're 21? That would be the ultimate cure for you, wouldn't it, Larry?

I'm not just talking this. I LIVED it. It never harmed me, nor any other player I knew.

So please don't put words in my mouth.

We're not going to agree.

OK gents...one more time.

You are saying it is OK for a bunch of fielders to chant "hey batter, batter...swing", while a player is hitting. OK, I get that. Then tell me the last time you advocated a team you coach do this? Do you have your runners at 3B saying "hey pitcher, pitcher...balk", as they walk down the line during the pitcher's windup?

Better yet, what if the other team was doing it to your players. Would your players like it? What if your players found it distracting, would you intervene? Naw...you guys would stick out the ol' barrel chest and tell your players to suck it up, wouldn't you? Can't have dem rabbit ears, right?

Why aren't more college and pro teams doing this? It is part of the game, right?

If you knew anything about me (son of a mechanic/farmer who grew up poor in central MD), you would realize that PC has never and will never be a part of my life. You seem to refer to PC as anything that is contrary to how it was done in the good ol' days. And I love how Texan talks about the coach stepping in when it gets out of hand. How does the ol' coach know when it is getting out of hand? Coach wouldn't have to "step in" if it hadn't started in the first place.

Sorry guys, I like reading your posts for the most part, and have learned some decent baseball stuff...but your "hard stance" on this particular matter is wrong in my opinion.

Larry


Is it wrong because we do not agree with you?

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Swing Batter, batter, Swing.

Jeff

You are showing your true colors with that post

I can deal with all the chants and chatter, but if a camera shutter goes off during a swing, man, that really gets me going. I hired Stevie Williams to punch any grandparent in the face that has the audacity to take a picture during one of my games, just like he does when he's working Tiger's bag.

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If bantering gets out of hand, the coach has failed. If the coach fails, the blue is there to do his job. There are all types of behavior that can get out of hand - left unchecked. So should we just lock the kids up until they're 21? That would be the ultimate cure for you, wouldn't it, Larry?

I'm not just talking this. I LIVED it. It never harmed me, nor any other player I knew.

Here is why I stop it.......If it gets out of hand the coaches all want to wash their hands of it and leave it to the umpires....

Rarely have I ever seen a coach take any part of letting it go too far or any part of stopping it.....

When it has gotten out of hand the universal complaint is usually " the umpires should have taken care of it".........so I do...

sooner rather than later.....

If Im responsible, then Im doing it on my timetable....which is now...

Just my .02

You have got to be kidding. That was funny. One of our co-posters suggested it after reading the posts. The problem is when things start off as just part of it, they turn into something more. If an adult would get upset that someone wrote that, how do you think an 8U batter feels when people are hollering at him and he strikes out. TRHit, get real. If it got you upset, question what it does to kids.

Jeff

I am always real sir

I would suggest you worry about your kids and I, mine-- Fair enough?

There we go with the touchy feely stuff-0--how an 8U batter feels ---get real it has to happen sooner or later

Look I am from the old school---stop the coddling stuff--we are not developing strong people--we are developing weak willed kids who even after they leave the nest keep looking for help

What if we return to the old days when LL players found out if they made it when they saw the player list in the corner drug store and then picked up their uniform or went home-- traumatic ---tough-- that is the way it was and I think we all survived

I will agree with you that is why we play tournament. If you start that stuff, our pitchers know to bean your next batter. If you cry, they laugh. When I umpire I call by the rules. You talk to the other team, I tell you to be quiet. That is what the rules say. As a coach, I am called to enforce them. I definitely am not PC as you may have alluded to. I believe in playing it the right way. Hey batter batter is for losers and girls softball.
Chatter is great but the other is bush league and bush league by a coach, player, or fan gets your batter hit, as hard as my pitcher can throw it.

Jeff

One set of rules for when you coach and another for when you umpire

And you direct your pitchers to bean a batter? Great teaching--what age do you coach?


Two sets of rules tells me a lot about you sir



And you criticize me !!!!--- Have a great day

Jeff- Are you sh@#$ing me? What are you going to do- find the biggest, baddest 8 year old you have to bean the next guy? You are absolutely delusional and truly have no clue on any of this stuff. You are absolutelu what is wrong in youth baseball.

I tried to stay away from your idiotic comments but this one pushed me over the edge. Mark my words- 75% of your team will not play after 12 years old and it will be your fault. Do yourself and your kids a favor and get out now before you screw them up even more than you already have.

I did not say I tell them to do so and was not talking 8 year old ball. My bad, I was talking older youth and now high school.
I get amused that you guys want them to be able to talk smack and the pitcher not retaliate. Getting hit is part of the game. I will agree, not at 8 but it is not far from that they learn how to retaliate.

To NCBall, it is funny that you say that I will ruin players. I have had 18 kids drafted that I have coached. 3 are pitching in the majors right now. I saw one of them plunk a batter last week and I am sure that it was retaliation.

I started coaching tournament ball when my oldest was 8 and that was 9 years ago. Every player on that team is still playing high school ball and 5 will probably be drafted in the next 3 years. They were taught baseball. Over the years, they have learned that if someone was going to do something bush league, you made them pay. I or no one I have coached with has ever told a pitcher to hit a batter. But I would never tell a pitcher not to hit one if he needed to. As you guys have said, that is old school baseball.

I will tell my 8 year old that the plate is his and that he has to throw hard. If he hits someone, that is part of baseball. I would never tell him to throw at another 8 year old.

I'm what is wrong with baseball. You are saying it is okay for someone to let or encourage their players to ridicule the other team and pitchers and yet someone who says stand your ground is wrong. Get real.

Jeff

I think you should look in the mirror when it comes to getting real

The thread is about 6 yrold to 8 yr olds and chatter---and then you say hit em

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Originally posted by Jeff Connell:
You are saying it is okay for someone to let or encourage their players to ridicule the other team and pitchers and yet someone who says stand your ground is wrong. Get real.

I don't know what it takes to get this through some peoples' heads. "Hey batter" is not ridiculing anyone. It is by no means personal. For crying out loud...

And it goes away as they get older, so don't worry about having to plunk a HS player because his team was doing "hey batter".

Dealing with distractions is a part of the game at any age.

Chatter is part of the game at the younger ages. At least it was before the PC crowd came along.

Hey batter...you are right, nothing wrong with that. But timing the swing when the 8 year old mind is trying to decide whether to swing or not...why is that a good idea?

I want one of you guys (TR or Texan) to tell Tiger he needs to get rabbit ears when the camera click goes off at the top of his backswing. Thanks for bringing that one up Metropop. Nice thinking! I guess Tiger won't reach his potential because PC found its way into his life?

TR...when you talk about developing strong people, don't you mean self-advocates? I mean the way I hear you tell it, it is all about what I want to do, and the heck with the other guy. Isn't developing a strong 8 year old teaching him that he can win on his own merits, and not have to distract or foil with his opponent? Nah...I'm starting to see the picture here. What is good for me, should be good for everybody...cause I'm happy. Is self-advocacy what you are about, cause if it is, then you sir have been overcome by PC. PC, the way I think of it, is telling everyone they are great whether they are or not. And to take it a step further, it is making someone believe that what they do is the most important thing in the world...and be**** all others who don't agree.

Thanks for clearing that up for me!

Jeff...nice resume, but I would appreciate it if you wouldn't try to bait on my thread. Stick to the issue at hand please.

The following is from the 2008 Rules Instruction Manual of Little League. It includes some recommendations relevant to this thread. Note that the comments are not rules, but rather practical suggestions.

4.06 -- No manager, coach or player, shall at any time, whether from the bench or the playing field or elsewhere -
(1) incite, or try to incite, by word or sign, a demonstration by spectators;
INSTRUCTORS COMMENTS: This includes firing up the crowd against the umpires or opposing team. The penalty is ejection from the game.

(2) use language which will in any manner refer to or reflect upon opposing players, manager, coach, an umpire or spectators;
INSTRUCTORS COMMENTS: Language from anyone that reflects badly upon opposing players, manager, coach, an umpire or spectators. Penalty is ejection.
Most teams, particularly infielders, chatter (“Hey, batter, batter”) when the ball is being delivered. This is usually acceptable, and has not caused any problems in local leagues. Do not, however, allow any player, especially the catcher, to yell “Swing” at the batter when the ball is being delivered.
Umpires should be alert to a manager or coaches’ action toward players of his/her own team as well. If the behavior warrants the adult’s removal, do so.

LT said:
I want one of you guys (TR or Texan) to tell Tiger he needs to get rabbit ears when the camera click goes off at the top of his backswing.

Larry,
Golfers would not mind any noise if crowd noise was part of the game. Which it is not. Not a good comparison.

Jeff said:
I or no one I have coached with has ever told a pitcher to hit a batter. But I would never tell a pitcher not to hit one if he needed to.

Jeff,
Completely insane. I am very qualified to speak on this subject. Baseball has been my only job my whole life....Not discouraging KIDS from throwing at hitters is crazy. They don't know where the ball is going. Someone could get hit in the face/head and be seriously hurt. There is no part of throwing at guys in any organized baseball unless it is PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL.
There they throw at guys to protect their own. To protect the way the game is to be played. To keep opposing team from being disrespectful from showing other players up. .....has no part in the game of which you speak......remember Wichita State/Evansville????....the kid could have been killed!!!!!.....as in dead......Some people are unreal.......

As far as the chatter thing.....come on.....if it's not personal let them play...they are just having fun.....as said before....much ado about nothing......

I would be more concerned about all of the IGNORANT things I've heard Little League coaches say/teach Little League players......and you guys are worried about a KID SAYING TO ANOTHER KID...."hey batter batter..".....and OH MY GOD....HE JUST TOLD LITTLE JOHNNY TO SWING.....come on.....teach them how to run cuts/relays....rundowns.....bunt defense.....PLAY CATCH.....so men like Tex don't have to RETEACH THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!........