A friend on mine's son a 2007 graduate is being recruited by UGA.

What's the word on UGA recruiting practices?

There's already threads about this on the Georgia Sports Vent. Story is, Perno over recruits then leaves some kids out in the cold. I had a friend tell me the same thing about a kid he knew. Brought him in, then let him go. Don't know it for a fact. That's just what they're saying.

Just trying to get my hands around what to expect.

What do you mean by Perno over recruits? Most large D-1 schools carry 35-45 players of which only 25 dress and travel.

Most freshman can't expect to play until their sophomore or junior year at a big D-1 program. Right?

Just my interpretation from the posts on the Georgia Sports Vent. Check it out. I have no personal knowledge. That's why I wrote it the way I did. Then again I could be wrong. There seems to be a lot of smoke for no fire. If you know what I mean. From what I read I believe some folks "feel like" they may have been led on.

Freshman play is a coach decision. SC played several this past year.

Recruiting Practices....

Not real sure what u mean by recruiting practices...

If you mean does UGA recruit like most major programs to stay competetive and play in Omaha in June, then the answer is yes.

UGA the last couple of years has reduced the number of recruits brought in. Probably has high 30's this Fall will settle on low to mid 30s and have 28 on SEC travel roster. Someone above mentioned SC. IMHO SC does a little heavier recruiting in respect to bring in more players.

When looking at schools you need to keep in mind players transfer or leave for various reasons (playing time, academic, financial). The teams need to restock due to draft as well. There have been a number of threads under the recruiting area on this site that speaks to recruiting and the number of recruits. Sometimes you'll see a program signs 14 players for the upcoming year, but come Fall 1 or 2 were drafted and signed, some did not get through the admissions process so only 10 end up actually at the school.

Dawgfan,

Does UGA sign a high number of HS seniors in Nov only to cut some of them come September when they're freshman at UGA?

I agree with you EastCobbBaseball about the play time. I wasn't really talking about the lack of play time for freshman players. I was just relating a condensed version of conversations I have had or comments I have heard or read about the "feeling" some folks are getting about Georgia recruiting practices. One comment was sign and cut them and you don't have to play against them later. That seems far fetched even for a conspiracy theorist like myself. There does appear to be some hard feeling out there about Coach Perno. Be them real or imagined.

ECB,

If a kid is "signed" i.e., they have given him some money, they will never release him his first fall for baseball reasons. Unless he messes up some other way that money is his for the year.

Having followed several kids at several big and small schools for years the pattern for the Big D1s is --Get as many players as you can (including walk ons) and see what sticks. Usually they'll give you two years to produce - if not they'll make it clear your not in their plans. Most kids will transfer of their own accord and that's what the coaches want to happen. Taking away the scholarship is ugly and messy, especially if the kids a good citizen/student etc.

They'll play whoever's the best freshmen senior whatever.

Thanks mrmom, sounds reasonable. After all big D-1 programs are there to win.

Has mrmom's experience been the same for others?

We heard it is cut throat type of deal there.

Perno, by his own admission, takes one or two kids per year without the HOPE. Most of the time he gives the HOPE kids $1,000 for books.

In 2005, he brought in one kid without the HOPE. UGA can bring in 20-30+ kids with a "scholarship" and meet its 11.7. Tough odds for sure....

We heard Tech is a little more humane than UGA but not sure why they would not be the same.

jonr12,

Are you saying UGA brings in 20-30+ new players each year?

Perno may be getting a little more national with his recruiting, as I believe he has four recruited freshman on the team this year fromoutside Georgia. That includes my nephew from Illinois. And I know he is recruiting out of staters this year because my nephew has already been weekend host for some.

Uncle Kevin

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Originally posted by East Cobb Baseball:
jonr12,

Are you saying UGA brings in 20-30+ new players each year?

Yes, That's is what we have "heard". Not sure how out of the ordinary that is for such a big time program.

To CentralIl's point, Perno stated last fall that they were going to begin looking out of state a little more than in times past.

Hopefully UGA gives an instate kid some substantial money as a display of their committment. If you did not know, NCAA rules prohibit a school from cutting a scholly for anyting other than academic inelgibility or misconduct.

We also heard that after a couple years if you are not in their plans, they let you know to look somewhere else, as the boy will not play. So ditto to mrmom as well.

I had the understanding that scholorships are a year by year item. So while you may not be able to pull it during a year, you can before the next.

Georgia is not only a great baseball school but also has turned into a great academic school. The HOPE has allowed the school to icrease it's academic standing and to bring in great students that can play baseball.

I don't know whether UGA "over-recruits" as compared to other schools or not, but based on the number of UGA signees during the early period, I'd be inclined to believe they don't (at least not compared to other SEC programs).

UGA signed 16 players in the '05 early signing period for the '07-08 season. As far as I know, only one of those guys, Adam Coe, was drafted and signed. They also signed at least two JUCO players after the early signing period (Jake Crane of Central Arizona JC and Travis Parrott of Brevard CC). That means there are at least 17 newcomers competing for slots in the fall. (And there may be more than that -- I don't know who else they signed after the early signing period, how many walk-ons there are on the fall roster, etc.).

17 newcomers may seem like a lot, but it's not out of line with other SEC programs. For instance, Arkansas signed 21 players during the early period in '05, LSU signed 20, South Carolina signed 18, Kentucky signed 17, and Florida signed 14. (Auburn, on the other hand, only signed 10).

Some of the smoke about "over-recruiting' at Georgia may come from the fact that the HOPE scholarship COULD facilitate over-recruiting IF Perno were so inclined.

Here's an excerpt from an AJC article from 2/11/06 --

"Quality players stay in-state because of the HOPE scholarship, one of the most important recruiting tools for Georgia coaches.

In football and basketball, where a scholarship is a full ride, travel expenses are the only financial barrier to an athlete signing out-of-state. Baseball is different because coaches split the equivalent of 11.7 full scholarships among the 30 or more players on a roster, leaving a huge funding gap that players or their parents have to fill.

Many can turn to the HOPE, which doesn't count against a team's 11.7-scholarship limit and covers tuition, some fees and books.

Georgia coach David Perno said 90 to 95 percent of his players qualify for the HOPE as freshmen. [Georgia Tech coach Danny] Hall said all of his players do. In some cases, Hall uses scholarship money to pay housing and/or meal costs not covered by the HOPE, but those are relatively small amounts."

The full article is at http://www.ajc.com/saturday/content/epaper/editions/sat...880b0e302710039.html

Thus, as other posters on this thread have pointed out, UGA can slice and dice its 11.7 scholarships several dozen ways to supplement the HOPE scholarships that 90-95% of its players are already receiving. This would help Perno over-recruit if he wanted to. That may be one reason that people assume that he is, in fact, over-recruiting.

On the other hand (and as also suggested by other posters on this site), Perno may using the baseball scholarship money freed up by the HOPE scholarhip to pull in out-of-state talent to Georgia. Of UGA's 16 early signees last year, 6 were from outside of Georgia -- two from Florida, and one each from Alabama, Illinois, Nevada and Virginia.

Great link for numbers's brought in this this year:

http://www.baseballnews.com./recruiting/recruiting_results.htm

If the information is available, it would be interesting to see what type/level of monies the out of staters got.

Great link, jonr12. Thanks. Not sure I'd want to be sending my son to San Diego State or Texas A&M.