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OK..been here a while now. Have been seeing the term "recruited walk on" being used on the recruting trail but haven't seen any discussion here on that topic on the HSBBW during my short tenure here. I feel that as it is a term that is being bandied about so figured it would be a benefit to put it into my second scenerio:

Scenerio: Young '06, RHP, Good HS results but not an immediate impact player at the college level- Too young, not mature yet, lacks velocity.

Quality pitching coach with an excellent track record of success developing players can easily project the player a year or two out but cannot justify $ without immediate impact. Has offered a "recruited walk on" offer to quality DI. Player really fits personally, and geographically and socially. Academically is a stretch, but a very positive one. Little other current DI interest. Could go to JC to mature. Could look at DII's, DIII's, or NAIA.

I obviously have my Biases/suggestions but want some feedback from the choir.....

Great topic. My son may very well be in the same boat, but as a position player. A lot depends on the college, for many schools' rosters are CAPPED, due to Title IX. This means the coaches may be faced with keeping a "walk-on" (even IF recruited) or cutting a player the coach has money invested in. A player in this situation should look very carefully at the possibilities. Being red-shirted may be a legit possiblity in this scenerio.

Great topic indeed. Observer, I don't have anything brilliant to say, but I kind of like the part about the pitching coach who develops his players. I know it is said everyday here that the more money you get the more they love you...etc...etc...I think there are other considerations as you point out and money may not be the most important one.

I guess what I am trying to say is they can have patience with him since it is low risk on their part. Thus, if you feel they are straight shooters and would do everything in their power to develop him, it could work out nicely for him. No doubt a tough decision.

I heard of this concept for the first time at a prospect camp a couple of weeks ago, although the coach called it a "preferred" walk on. In his program, if you had that status, you didn't have to go through the walk on tryout, you played the fall with the team and then they evaluated your status. I would think that someone in that position would have to feel comfortable with the competition at his position and the number of people the coach is bringing back and bringing in and all those other variables to accept that type of offer.

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Thanks.

One aspect I suggest is essential is to discuss with the coaches EXACTLY what their concept of a recruited or preferred/recruited walk on IS.

Even the definition of what one is seems to be cloudy. Don't know if there is a universal definition or expectations and responsibilities the same way that there is for other types of designees.

What are the expectations? The pro's? The Cons?
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...go to a school where you can pitch.

"Recruited Walk-On":

Now that's interesting:

What it means to me is the College Coach offers the student a 'walk on' status (ie ability to tryout at Fall Walk-On Tryouts....which are open to entire college campus students.

There is absolutely zero committment from the Head Coach.

I would suggest (if in conversations) the coach who are offering a 'recruited walk-on status to your HS player, that a Spring Roster spot is coupled with the Coaches walk-on status!

If yes, you are closer to competing.
If no, you know where you stand with the Fall squad........ie the student must beat another player who is on the club ....flat out)

Regards
Bear



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I would imagine such a thing exits. However, I would think he could give teh player something, and then redshirt, scholarship does not count against the 11.7.

I don't understand why a coach would take the time to develop a player with no committment, that player is obligated to "walk off" at anytime.


Observer,
What's with the periods?

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Never ceases to amaze me what one can find here...

Just found a section on the HSBBW site map that has an article on "Invited Walkons" that was enlightening. Highlights the differecnes between invited and common walk on's. While it does not answer everything it helps. Still looking for more info though.....anyone?


As far as redshirting goes...it is interesting but the players I have talked to say that the coaches offering are confident enough that they can develop the pitchers that they are keeping the red shirt option open, but feel confident that they will not have to use it - development will be rapid and significant.

TPM...Do a great deal of reading and writing - in subject and out - and have come to belive that in a society where "clickeritis," and USA Today media bites are the norm, that presentation is now nearly as important as content to real consideration of ideas and the resulting communication.

White space is key. Long unbroken paragrpahs and windy thoughts lose readers who are conditioned to 5, 15, 30 and 60 second attention spans.

When I remember to, I use the periods to space out....which of course is what I most often anyway...

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Observer,
My impression from your first post would be that the player needs a year or two for development. Now you state development may be rapid. Confusing.

College coaches put players in to play and win games. I don't think I would want mine to play a game or two and lose eligibilty waiting to develop as a pitcher.

Either way, when considering this option, you might want to discuss it with the coach, not the players. But you knew that already I am sure.

Have kept enough white space open so you would not lose interest.

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keep in mind there are about 280 DI pitching coaches out there that can develop pitchers - - - and . . . the coaches with the great "track records" are mostly coaches who have recruited the best pitchers

also a key part of that development is "game innings"

sometimes you hear much fuss over the story of a certain walk-on's success - - with good reason as he's overcome extreme odds

good luck

Track record, track record, track record...

Did I say "track record?"

While it's ALWAYS important to dig into the facts concerning a coaching staff's propensities to do what they claim they will do, I can think of no more important circumstance for that to happen. When they're talking with you about their plans for your son as an "invited walk-on," make certain that they speak very specifically about recent players who have had positive experiences in that role. Then, follow up with one-on-one discussions with players and parents to confirm their assertions.

As others on this thread have suggested, the odds are pretty stacked against non-scholarship players who are on the roster. That's not to say that you can't find acceptable/desirable situations; but, at the very least, it's going to require some pretty special due diligence on your part to confirm expectations the coaches create.

Best of luck to your son!

An invited (recruited) walkon usually has one leg up on those not invited because the coach has usually seen the player before the fall tryouts--thus the invite (recruited)

I’m with Bee, Prepster, Observer44, and TPM. To me a recruited walk on is like a prenuptial agreement that only one person signs. The coach has nothing to lose. The player has everything to lose from a baseball perspective and only a slim chance to gain anything. I think the recruited walk scenario might be beneficial if the player has no other options or JUST wants to be a small part of a particular program. But.... there are some players that accept this and are quite happy with it. I have talked to parents of recruited walk-ons and many of these players put academics far ahead of baseball and are just enjoying the moment of being part of the team. I think the player that is looking to be an impact player for a baseball program needs to understand the little fish in the big pond environment he is putting himself into by accepting the recruited walk-on role.
Just my opinion.
Fungo

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Keep in mind that the "Invited Walkon" is a key element in Division III Fall try outs

TRHit,
With no baseball scholarships at DIII's wouldn't all recruited players be recruited walk-ons????

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Good Stuff....

TPM...Can see the confusion...Could be impact in a year or two, could be a contributor the first year after a fall's worth of hard work. If development goes well, but again, not an immediate impact, not expected to be. Still only projectable so at a DI, not "NLI'able." (nice work on the white... )


TPM...2..and Prepster....yep, My advice exactly. KNOW what your looking at. Communicate. research. Talk to the coaches at legnth. In one of these instances, this school, this coach and this program has a long track record of valuing walk on's, of developing pitchers from raw material, and seeing future where others do not. That help?


BEE...Good point. As soon as a pitching coach gets a rep he no longer has to develop players as much, he gets much higher quality recruits.

TR..Not only has he got a leg up by being seen, but my research among the "experts" is that often these offer include a spring roster position, thought due diligence and nailing that option down is certainly prudent.

Fungo..Good Synopsis. Certainly a one way agreement...on the other hand there is a body of knowledge out there (talk to HSBBW oldtimer Justbaseball) that would tell you that the NLI's are not worth the paper they are written on as well. Go Figure...

Another two key elements IMO...

DI in a quality conference so would not take the pleysr unless he was pretty sure that a significant contributiuon would be made in the future.

second...Another key element not mentioned. The coach can save scholarship money. If he can bring in a player for nothing he has more to offer the higher end immediate impact guys. In a backdoor way wouldn't it help the team win?

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DI in a quality conference so would not take the pleysr unless he was pretty sure that a significant contributiuon would be made in the future.

I disagree!!!!
happens all the time.

Observer,
It's a hard question to answer, based on personal preference.
My son tells me about the kids who decide to leave after a year or two. It is extremely difficult, the team is very very close. They love school, could stay to finish up but just want to go PLAY, all of the time, not just randomly.
I only know if it was my son, I would want him to go where he would stay and be happy. That's so importnat, more important than a full scholarship (which doesn't always make one happy). My son's freinds were recruited walk ons. They didn't see much playing time, and when they did, they were much better than some of the scholarship players. They didn't see lots of instruction either. The second year nothing changed. The coach told them his budget was cut back, they couldnt even get gloves. I would hate to mention the school, well known D1 (smaller) and great baseball program. To me, it looked like they just needed bodies for Fall practice. They were rostered IMO as fill ins, not on teh travel squad.

This is a common and of course interesting scenario.....

For the college coach, if he is telling the kid that he has a spot on the roster, then what he is doing is hoping that the kid develops into a pitcher who can help him win games in the future. For the coach, in this situation the program does not lose. If the kid doesn't develop, the team has not lost an investment.

For the kid, it can be looked at more than one way. Some kids are going to want to take advantage of this opportunity to play D-I and believe they are going to succeed, and some of them will succeed. That is a great situation, and can work into at least a little scholarship money later.

Other kids may want to go some place that they know they will get some quality innings in as a freshman....or where they think they will get some quality innings in as a freshman......

I know a non-pitcher who was presented this opportunity and jumped at the chance, and had about 100 plate appearances as a true freshman in a major D-I conference.....it sure seemed to be a great opporunity for him!

Bottom line, this is a tough scenario to predict......there is no wrong way to go.