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Originally posted by BigWI:
[QUOTE]I heard the OU students want a recount

they're not buying Wisconsin Madison as #1

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BW,

I should have called, I stopped into Madison WI, several times this summer.

cheers
Bear

Can you say "cheers" on here?

Good post Bear.......cheers.

bear, curious plan
the visiting player is not yet a student at the college, nor member of the baseball team, nor under NCAA substance testing

and as we read on another topic it prolly would be impossible to even find a "one strike and OUT" code of conduct anywhere

you as the "zero tolerance" parent, I'd guess must remove him from his hs team, then after graduation get him a factory job, passing on college - or am I missing something?



skol



ps - I work in a factory, but not as punisment (I don't think)

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Originally posted by Bee>:
bear, curious plan the visiting player is not yet a student at the college, nor member of the baseball team, nor under NCAA substance testing

and as we read on another topic it prolly would be impossible to even find a "one strike and OUT" code of conduct anywhere

you as the "zero tolerance" parent, I'd guess must remove him from his hs team, then after graduation get him a factory job, passing on college - or am I missing something?

skol

ps - I work in a factory, but not as punisment (I don't think)

Bee,

1. I'm not sure of your message that you work in a factory......I work with a Shipyard, (whatever is left of it).

2. I am trying to support a young man (not of my blood, yet love him like family) who was drafted out of HS, drafted again 1st year from HS, ran into a zero tolerance college issue, had a life altering family issue,
and has been overlooked by last years June draft.

What I do, as a baseball man, that cares about the young man, is to try to help? And the network of great baseball men is as deep as it is wide!

3. Young teenagers today try to grow up too fast. In retrospect, 24+, 25+, 26+ y/o, with what's left of a baseball career, long to be younger!

4. Is it ["impossible to even find a "one strike and OUT" code of conduct anywhere"] ??

....It is probably NOT possible to find a college that is NOT zero-tolerant to student-athletes who break the law!

5. Are you missing something?
I have no clue.

However, may I suggest you continue helping your "student" as a parent and find a way to send the message that he/she enter, stay in, and or return to college, and try and graduate with either with a AA or Bachelors.

Good Luck

Bear

If the boy dont drink he simply says--" I will have a club soda with lime"

Is it that difficult ?

bear, I think we're on the same page, just expressing it differently

best of luck with your young man, I'm sure he'll look back and be glad he had you in his corner

Look, so we can end some of the acrimony:

I'm all for it. It probably would have helped.

Oh, you're talking about the kids?

Let them find their own party. They probably won't have to look very hard.

There are so many other things that are more important than this. That this thread got to a second page surprises me.

With all due respect, move along.

Thanks Old VAman. It seems that this issue was taken way too far and everyone has to remember that it is mostly kids like your own sons. You know your sons and you know that they won't likely do this stuff. There are always people out there that will get drunk but most baseball players have good heads on their shoulders and we know when the line is crossed.

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I should have called, I stopped into Madison WI, several times this summer.

I wish you had, I would have driven up and taken you out for Pizza!

The good news is I expect I will be coming out your way more often now the Kris is going to school out there.

Driving him out on Friday (If there is any GAS)

Won't be able to call you this trip, but will try next time.

D,

Have the young son stop by the house for something to eat. JHU is 15 min away!

Regards
Bear

My son was offered a drink on a non-baseball visit with a host student at a very prominent university last spring. I died laughing when he told me how he replied...
He told them.. "I am closer to 12 than 21" and it ended the issue.

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Originally posted by Bear:
D,

Have the young son stop by the house for something to eat. JHU is 15 min away!

Regards
Bear

Tom,

I will let him know, Thanks.

We leave at 9:00 Tomorrow, getting a bit nervious about the drive.

Well heres what i experienced, usually you go to a football game, then go to parties after, there will be drinks there, and your not forced to drink, so its your own decision, but yes there ARE drinks there, it IS a college party, the coaches have no clue about it, but its part of the real world, so if your not gonna drink you wont, if you do you do. Thats just how it is. Its all up to you.

I think that younger people posting in this thread are going to have a very different opinion then the older people posting. I'm a high school student, and most students have drank at one point or another. It's not just athletes or kids thats not in school, it's drama kids, smart kids, everyone. A little alcohol is a lot different than a little coke or another drug. If you manage your alcohol correctly there shouldn't be a problem. In Europe teens are allowed to drink and they don't seem to be having problems with it. A coach should never drink on a visit, but a player at parties, that's up to him. But like I said, drinking is a natural occurance. If you punished everyone who drank in high school you'd be punishing the majority of the kids.

nd943,
It's called peer pressure, most student's want to fit in to there little group. And do not want to feel like there not part of the crowd.
And yes Drinking is just like other Drug's, It's mind altering.
in fact it is sometime's the worst drug ever made.
And to think that a Parent's View is differant then a HS student's View about underage Drinking and Drug use.
Well maybe the parent's understand what has happened to themselves are other people that they have Known, When they let Drinking and drug's into there live's to a point were they no longer had control of there own life.
Spiraling down to the Bottom of depth's and despair.

On a lighter note.
You and you alone are Responseable for your action's.
Live with the consequences.
Are Learn from other's that may have something to say about this subject. EH

I'm not saying underage drinking is good, just that it happens. Some kids do it to fit in, but I think more do it because they want to. It's not just upper level high school kids that drink either. It's freshmen, sophomores, and even some middle school kids too.

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but I think more do it because they want to.

You and you alone are Responseable for your action's.
Live with the consequences. EH

I havent read the whole thread only a few posts here and there but I'd like to add that drinking in High School can mess up your future even worse than drinkin in college my cousin was going to football camps and being looked at by Glen Mason of the Gophers and he had a party on homecoming night and got cought and got a minor next thing you know he quits football and parties every weekend. He ended up with 4 minors by the end of the year. Now he transfered to a different school and transfered back and its a big mess but he's gettin his head back on straight now but his college dreams of football have long since gone out the window