Brain cramp here.
DH batting for SS(#21) in the 8 slot. In the 5th inning, coach says, #5 is going into the 8 slot.
Doesn't the coach have to say if it's for the DH or the SS?

Yes becuase if he is batting for the DH then all is good. If he is batting for the SS then two are coming out, The DH is dead.

What if the substitution took place while they were going out to play defense? (ie #5 for #21).

wouldn't batting for the SS be the same as batting for the DH and then making a def. sub next the next half inning?This would mean that the SS could still go out and still play the next inning.

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Originally posted by thecloser:
Brain cramp here.
DH batting for SS(#21) in the 8 slot. In the 5th inning, coach says, #5 is going into the 8 slot.
Doesn't the coach have to say if it's for the DH or the SS?

I am assuming "#5 is going into the 8 slot" means #5 is pinch-hitting for the DH.

#21 is not in the batting order (although he is locked in the 8 hole). #5 is the new DH, batting for #21, who is still at short.

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What if the substitution took place while they were going out to play defense? (ie #5 for #21).

If this substitution occurs then #21 stays on the bench, #5 goes to play SS and the player who is the DH remains the same. All three (DH, #5 & #21) are now locked into the 8 hole in the batting order.

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Originally posted by thecloser:
Brain cramp here.
DH batting for SS(#21) in the 8 slot. In the 5th inning, coach says, #5 is going into the 8 slot.
Doesn't the coach have to say if it's for the DH or the SS?

It's situational. If the DH's spot is up and #5 shows up, he's in for the DH.

If they are going on defense and #5 trots out to play F6, he's in for the SS.

If the coach makes that statement a spot or two after the DH batted and before the team goes out on defense, ask him if #5 is the DH or F6.

When the coach tells the umpire about the sub the umpire asks who he is subbing for. You can't enter twice, which is what you are trying to say. If you don't ask and the sub comes out for defense then the DH is done. Whether he batted for the DH and became the new DH, when he entered the game defensively the role of the DH is done. The original DH may still have re-entry rights if he hasn't been subbed for already.

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DH batting for SS(#21) in the 8 slot.

Just have to vent here. DH for the pitcher in pro ball is one thing but asking a kid to play ss or any other position and not hit frankly stinks.

Play baseball for Gods sake.

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Originally posted by Will:

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DH batting for SS(#21) in the 8 slot.

Just have to vent here. DH for the pitcher in pro ball is one thing but asking a kid to play ss or any other position and not hit frankly stinks.

Play baseball for Gods sake.

At the high school level, the pitcher is often one of the best hitters on the team. The DH rule in FED, like the other rules, was conceived and passed by coaches and AD's, not umpires. In addition to encouraging more participation, they most certainly also acted to preserve the good hitting F1's spot in the order.

This thread is exactly why I do everything in my power to have a straight nine lineup. I hate having to try and keep up with all of this stuff while concentrating on the game.

But if I got a great defensive player who couldn't hit water if he fell out of the boat I'm going to hit for him until he shows me in practice he's getting better. But I try to avoid it like the plague.

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Originally posted by coach2709:
This thread is exactly why I do everything in my power to have a straight nine lineup. I hate having to try and keep up with all of this stuff while concentrating on the game.

The college DH rule takes up almost 4 pages. (And the DH can only hit for the pitcher.)

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Originally posted by dash_riprock:

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Originally posted by coach2709:
This thread is exactly why I do everything in my power to have a straight nine lineup. I hate having to try and keep up with all of this stuff while concentrating on the game.

The college DH rule takes up almost 4 pages. (And the DH can only hit for the pitcher.)

Not true. In NCAA the DH can DH for himself.

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Originally posted by Jimmy03:

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Originally posted by dash_riprock:

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Originally posted by coach2709:
This thread is exactly why I do everything in my power to have a straight nine lineup. I hate having to try and keep up with all of this stuff while concentrating on the game.

The college DH rule takes up almost 4 pages. (And the DH can only hit for the pitcher.)

Not true. In NCAA the DH can DH for himself.

Only if he is the pitcher.

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Originally posted by dash_riprock:

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Originally posted by Jimmy03:

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Originally posted by dash_riprock:

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Originally posted by coach2709:
This thread is exactly why I do everything in my power to have a straight nine lineup. I hate having to try and keep up with all of this stuff while concentrating on the game.

The college DH rule takes up almost 4 pages. (And the DH can only hit for the pitcher.)

Not true. In NCAA the DH can DH for himself.

Only if he is the pitcher.

Not when he's the DH. In that case, he's both

The NCAA rule is better than Abbot and Costello's Who's on First?

I'll say it again. The DH can only bat for the pitcher.

The college rule pollutes the DH situation in order to let a guy keep hitting after leaving the game as a pitcher.... I love the Abbot and Costello line!

The reason you can DH for a fielder under NFHS is because (a) they wanted to adopt the DH rule, and (b) if your pitcher is actually one of your better hitters, you would then be at a disadvantage in competition with a team with a weak hitting pitcher. So, they let you DH for a non-pitcher, so that both sides could just DH for their weakest hitter.

As for the college rule, the easiest way to understand it is this. The DH and the pitcher are actually two different positions, sharing a slot in the batting order. BUT -- and this is what's unique to the NCAA rule -- one human being can be both your DH and your pitcher. You can then sub for half of him, but not the other half. The team I've seen do this most frequently in recent years has been UVA, first with Joe Koshansky, then Sean Doolittle, last year with Danny Hultzen. They essentially bat for themselves, then stay in to hit for the relief pitcher(s) after coming off the mound.

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Originally posted by dash_riprock:
I'll say it again. The DH can only bat for the pitcher.

Did you not see the "smiley"?

My bad.