Ball hit on the IF and the throw gets past the first baseman and the runner goes past first.

If he is in foul territory can he make a move towards second and be protected or does any move towards second make him a live runner?

I would like to know the Fed rule on this but it was a MLB game that got me thinking about this. Cubs and White Sox and Marquis for the Cubs gets a hit and throw goes past first baseman and he does what I said above but he is right on the line and it's iffy (can't really remember where he was) but he flinched towards second and first base ump ruled he was out when Pierzynski came over and tagged him.

Thanks

NFHS 8-2-7
"ART. 7 . . . A batter-runner who reaches first base safely and then overruns or overslides may immediately return without liability of being put out provided he does not attempt or feint an advance to second. A player who is awarded first base on a base on balls does not have this right."

What matters is the umpires judgement of an attempt or feint. It does not matter in itself whether the runner is in foul or fair ground or whether he turns right or left.

In OBR and NCAA, the rule is the same, except that the B/R may overrun on a base on balls. [Note to rule mavens: Yes, I know Jim Evans disagrees, but the MLBUM trumps Evans, in my mind.]

3finger is correct, this a myth of baseball. Many think you are OK if you turn foul and live if you turn fair. The truth is you can turn either way as long as you return to first. If you feint from either direction you are live and subject to a tag.

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Originally posted by 3FingeredGlove:

In OBR and NCAA, the rule is the same, except that the B/R may overrun on a base on balls. [Note to rule mavens: Yes, I know Jim Evans disagrees, but the MLBUM trumps Evans, in my mind.]

Evans wrote his ruling based on research of writings of old time rule makers and historical enforcement. It was not just a matter of opinion.

He now teaches the MLBUM ruling to his students, while mentioning his personal disagreement.

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Evans wrote his ruling based on research of writings of old time rule makers and historical enforcement. It was not just a matter of opinion.

He now teaches the MLBUM ruling to his students, while mentioning his personal disagreement.

3 finger.........it is good to see that you are keeping up with your reading.....

It is always worth repeating, that to be up to date, effective and informed as an umpire it is not enough to read the rule book.

In addition to being poorly written, the rule book does not provide the rule intents, interpretation or mechanics information required. that must be obtained by the leading reference materials.....