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I didn't say it would be right to ring up a pitch that bounced in front of the plate, I just said it would be a called strike.

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Dash:Now if it bounces and the batter tips it, the catcher can catch it for a caught third strike.

No sir. That's a foul ball.

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Dash:Now if it bounces and the batter tips it, the catcher can catch it for a caught third strike.

No sir. That's a foul ball.

Sorry. Wrong again.

J/R had ruled that a foul ball, and the JEA ruled it a foul tip. Using the logic that if it can struck for a hit, it can be struck for a foul tip, MLB has adopted the Evans ruling and Rick Roder has accepted it as well both in his role as the WUA rules spokesman and as editor of the J/R stating he will change his ruling in future editions.

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On second thought, that's a good one Mike. If it's a foul tip, and it's the 3rd strike, is it a CAUGHT 3rd strike? If it were an ordinary bounced pitch, and the batter swung and missed, it would not be a caught pitch. Does tipping it with the bat make a difference? I have to think about this one.

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Yes, that is the difference. There has been a huge debate whether tipping a bounced pitch can be a foul tip or a regular foul. I have always been on Evan's position. Roder has since changed his mind and everyone is now on the same page.

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I'm also in Evans's camp. I think once it is tipped, the pitch ends and it becomes a batted ball (a foul tip is a batted ball).

I have never seen this happen and I doubt I ever will. Either the batter will hammer it into the ground, or the catcher's glove will be so low (anticipating catching the ball at ground level) that he won't come close to catching it if it's tipped upward.

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the batter never swang at the ball nor did it hit his bat so I did not call it a strike. Just confused if its deadball(take first) or ball 1.

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The original response to your question by coach2709 was correct.

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Ok as for the the whole foul tip dead or not dead situation - here is my take on it and if it's completely wrong then please don't thrash me too bad.

If the batter swings at a ball that has bounced and foul tips the ball into the ground or anywhere other than directly into the catchers mitt then it's a dead ball. If the batter swings and foul tips the ball after it has hit the ground and the catcher squeezes it without it touching anything else then it's a live ball.

Now the likeihood of this happening is pretty remote and probably will never happen. Plus I would guess and say that a plate ump (and even a field ump) seeing these chain of events happening would be very difficult.

So how wrong am I?

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The original response to your question by coach2709 was correct.

Yeah I know this one because I got tossed over it once. And it was me who knew the rule and the ump didn't. I was highly agitated over it.

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Ok as for the the whole foul tip dead or not dead situation - here is my take on it and if it's completely wrong then please don't thrash me too bad.

If the batter swings at a ball that has bounced and foul tips the ball into the ground or anywhere other than directly into the catchers mitt then it's a dead ball. If the batter swings and foul tips the ball after it has hit the ground and the catcher squeezes it without it touching anything else then it's a live ball.

Now the likeihood of this happening is pretty remote and probably will never happen. Plus I would guess and say that a plate ump (and even a field ump) seeing these chain of events happening would be very difficult.

So how wrong am I?

Yes, it is an unlikely play and it would be a hard call to see all the aspects of the play, but sometimes you just have to umpire.

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but sometimes you just have to umpire.

Oh..how true.........this should be written on the first page of every rule book and mechanics manual.....

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If the batter swings at a ball that has bounced and foul tips the ball into the ground or anywhere other than directly into the catchers mitt...

So how wrong am I?

Just in terminology. You can't "foul tip" a ball "into the ground or anywhere other than directly into the catcher's mitt."

By definition, that would be a foul ball, not a foult tip.

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