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Several issues, in no particular order...
Insurance... From my experience, the insurance hit comes not from the added car, but from the 16 yr. old boy. If he will be listed as the primary driver of any vehicle, then obviously the car make/model will have an effect on rates.
Style... All boys are certain they need a truck or car that screams COOL or SECKSY or (insert adjective here). As a parent, I would sieze the opportunity to discuss personal character and personality as the more important factors in perception/image.
The all-important "driving is a privelege, not a right" conversation comes to mind. Beware the adolescent attitudes of entitlement, and the pressure to keep up with, or outdo, Jonesy over there.
Lastly, and speaking entirely from personal experience, (more of my own teen years than of my children's), kids do not truly respect or appreciate things that come to them too easily. Working for something, or waiting for something, serves to develop appreciation and responsibility. ...and I am convinced that, regardless of how responsible a 16 year old boy may be, all bets are off when you sit him behind a hemi with teammates, or girls (or teammates AND girls) in the car with him.
Bottom line recommendation... '77 Nova, or something equally unappealing, with a good service record, that he can learn to take care of and service.
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| Posts: 377 | Location: LaLa Land | Registered: March 24, 2005 |    |
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quote: The "pick-up truck" craze that has become commonplace around here is laughable. Half the vehicle is never used?????
Just call me "poster boy" s u cker for the 15 mpg pick-up program. I took it to fill it up one day and dropped $50.......way back when gas was $2.00.  That after starting with a little 1990 asian speed racer that came back with $2,000 in frame damage a month after dropping the collision insurance to save $50 a month. How he bent the frame without bending sheet metal, I can only imagine. I'd recommend a '89 Ford Crown Victoria with 7 spark plug wires. Maybe the 8th plug wire for the 18th birthday.
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| Posts: 4837 | Location: Florida | Registered: December 26, 2002 |    |
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small pickup gives some utility, decent gas mileage, and reduced number of passengers [a key ingredient]. Cool is at the bottom of the list when Pops is footing the bill. 10 YO Nissan Altima is the perfect car for Jr and his sister to share [for now]. Insurance is a b!tch, but no way around it. Think about safety rating for vehicle, cars past a certain vintage have no airbags or no passenger airbags, a real concern for some. Find somethign reliable that should be reasonable on gas; cool factor increases risk factor. Should be your choice based on your parameters - next car is on him, so he has some say in the matter
Of all the things I've lost in life, I miss my mind the most!
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| Posts: 586 | Location: outside Philly, PA | Registered: October 18, 2004 |    |
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when i was a kid my first car was a roles.but today small p/u, decent milage,only two passangers tops,make a few bucks hauling things. still not to fartsy. the roles was a roles canardly roles down the hill canardly get up the other one.
"i'm a light eater,when it's light out....i eat." Tommy John
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| Posts: 1674 | Location: new hampshire | Registered: March 25, 2003 |    |
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quote: Originally posted by catcher09: His idea of a used car is a 69 Dodge Charger big block with all the trimmings– if anyone is getting a Charger it will be me.
ME! ME! I'll take it!!  Would that be the hemi or the 440 six pack? Moc, I can tell you're not from Texas. Talking down trucks... For $2500 max., you are gonna be in a crapshoot. Tough to find a good vehicle for that price anymore. Since GM dropped the Olds nameplate, the prices on used Olds have plummeted. I got a great deal on a used Aurora a while back. {Wonderful car, but with the large Northstar engine it is way too much go-go for a teen.} The older Blazers were larger and seem to be popular with some kids. Good luck. I'll be robbing banks in six months to pay for the car insurace (after my son starts going solo).
"Show me a guy who won't pitch inside and I'll show you a loser" Sandy Koufax
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| Posts: 4133 | Location: Texas, USA | Registered: June 02, 2003 |    |
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. Two words of advice, for those of you with 16 year old, hubris filled, risk taking (all of them) drivers... AIR BAGSSpend the extra Money...frankly you'd rather be poor and have them alive then have another few hundred dollars and not... I know this from gut wrenching experience. It is simply not worth the risk.  44 .
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I'm with 044 - airbags are a requirement - the more the better... My first suggestion was for a M1 - after telling him I meant the Abrams not an M3 BMW, he wasn't nearly as happy 
" There's nothing cooler than a guy who does what we dream of doing, and then enjoys it as much as we dream we would enjoy it. " -- Scott Ostler on Tim Lincecum
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| Posts: 1011 | Location: Monterey, California | Registered: May 28, 2004 |    |
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. Having persoanlly been though the Truck-into-a-tree-at-freeway- speeds, "There's been an accident...", Life-flight scenerio with my younger ...at that moment believe me, you will wish TO GOD that you had paid for every safety feature available... Now.... I for one am taking the WoodMan and and 08 up on their advice. There is a WWI battleship mothballed about 100 miles up the coast...that's youngers next transportation. Anyone know how many miles to a gallon they get?....  44
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. By the way... Dad 04..... LOVE the visuall!  44
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044 - The Iowa class battleships get roughly 1 mile per ton of oil - assuming a speed of 25 knots... On the other hand, the shells are roughly the same size as a VW bug... weighing 2700 pounds, and traveling at 2690 ft/second (maximum range of about 24 miles in 90 seconds)... Could I borrow it occasionally and pop my son into a shell and send him to school in a hurry when he gets up late and is rushing to school?
" There's nothing cooler than a guy who does what we dream of doing, and then enjoys it as much as we dream we would enjoy it. " -- Scott Ostler on Tim Lincecum
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| Posts: 1011 | Location: Monterey, California | Registered: May 28, 2004 |    |
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. O8.....Lets see if I get this right... 6 pounds per gallon, 2,000 pounds per ton = 333 Gallons of Diesel per mile...at $3.00 per gallon is...$1,000 per mile? Not bad! And all that protection and only a 25 MPH top speed to boot. Does it come with air bags? I wonder if I can get a Hybrid? EH...I think the sub is a good idea. And my son would be getting "glowing" reports...  44 .
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But think of all the kharmer protecting them...
" There's nothing cooler than a guy who does what we dream of doing, and then enjoys it as much as we dream we would enjoy it. " -- Scott Ostler on Tim Lincecum
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| Posts: 1011 | Location: Monterey, California | Registered: May 28, 2004 |    |
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