Good thread for posters to talk about their D1 buzz regarding the changes in the baseball rules.

What are the rules pertaining to sitting out a year? when does that apply?

Rules don't go into effect until this August, coaches have had one year to adjust, cutting back their roster last summer. The rule stats that the max for schollies is 27, with 30 going into effect next year with 25% max dollars for scholarhip counters only. I don't know of anyone who was already on roster being cut $$.
As far as drafted players returning, if the player was an impact player and will help the team win, coaches pretty happy with them not leaving and usually this is discussed before the draft (options).
Coaches that have years of success at budgeting can handle the new rules.

Not sure I follow you TPM. What does your reply have to do with sitting out a year?

I was responding to OS's post.
The sit out rule is in effect. If you transfer D1 to D1 you sit out a year.

Dosn't it apply D-2 to D-1 as well?

http://www.ncaa.org/library/general/transfer_guide/2006...7_transfer_guide.pdf

Refer to 4-4 transfer rule, according to what I read and understand, there is nothing preventing a D2 to transfer to D1 and not play, unless he never qualified at D1.

Anyone who transfers into D1 regardless of coming in from D1 or D2 must sit out a year,

The link above is for 2006-2007. Here's the current link:
Transfer Guide

The language used in the actual rule (14.5.5.2.10) simply refers to transfers from another four year institution. It doesn't matter if the previous institution is NAIA, D1, D2, or D3. A baseball player has to sit a year if transferring into D1.

Thanks 3FG.

There are exceptions.

The only way to avoid the 4-4 sit out is to transfer to JUCO and then go back to a 4 year.

Where does that leave a school like the University of Georgia? They may have up to 26 players returning and 18 (or more)new recruits who were not drafted or if they were they haven't signed yet. And that does not account for any redshirts from last year who did not transfer, although I think most of them did. Don't the 27 scholarship players need to be assigned their scholarships in August this year, not January? Does that mean that in August, several of the players will need to be told there is no money for them, except the HOPE, which is not countable aid?

26+18=44 is a big problem. Players aren't just going to be told they don't get money. They're going to be told they're not on the team.

Reading over the new transfer rules, players have until Aug 1, 2008 to transfer without having to sit out.
I would imagine (and hope) that at this time players have had their end of year interviews and given news of where they stand with team plans.

TPM,

I'm not understanding the August 1, 2008 date. Are you saying D1's can transfer without sitting out as long as they do it by 8/1/2008?

I know a half dozen or so of the UGA recruits, they have not been contacted yet about the August 1 deadline and time is running out. While they know the history of many UGA recruits (transfer after the fall)they all feel confident they won't be the ones who don't make it. They seem not to be aware of the change this year of scholarships for spring '09 decided on in August. Does anyone know if that is the case this year?

The new rules start August 1st this year but essentially have already been invoved. At thye end of Fall 08 if you are cut you sit if ransferring to an NCAA scho0ol. Most player from the teams who mader roster last year were informed that they were cut at the exit meeting in thye spring 08. Guys who were cut at the end of Fall 07 and the guys cut after the exit meeting all have until 1st August 08 to find new NCAA teams.
The scholarship changes only effect new 1st year players starting in 08. New recruits should know the new rules by doing their home work.

Most coaches starting working on this last summer. Can't speak for UGA coach, but I do know two former players (one family member posts here) where things didn't go the right way as promised, in their opinion.

I feel for the coaches of programs where their incoming recruits get drafted as well as players. Coaches have to work really hard at now trying to work on the drafted recruits to come to school or sign a pro contract, they essentially have commitments and money tied up in their decision until mid August. They get burned as well as players. Also a coach, as stated before should have a meeting with his players that would appear to be draft prospects. I know mine had a discussion with his HC junior fal, what it would take to sign or comeback though he knew coming back may mean less scholarship money. He was one of those who was considered a three year scholarship player and we took that chance. May not be a practice at some places but a coach needs to get an idea of who is coming and who is going so he can offer to recruits and not hold them off and not get caught short in the fall.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not think that the fall roster has to be at 35? I remember this being a complaint, that those that overcrowed in the fall still may do it. They can't cut NLI players so that would possibly put the non scholarship player at risk.

I never quite saw the value of having any more show up in the fall than you actually need. If my son is recruited and given a scholarship, why does he have to start trying out all over for the 35 man roster?

I really don't care what a coach tells a recruited walk on about being a part of the team, if your numbers don't work who is out first? If there'sa a need you are in.

The above has always been my opinion, regardless of new rules. And you have to pay attention to the numbers during recruiting.

quote:

Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not think that the fall roster has to be at 35? I remember this being a complaint, that those that overcrowed in the fall still may do it. They can't cut NLI players so that would possibly put the non scholarship player at risk.

As far as I know, this is correct. Teams can have 40-50+ players in the fall, as long as they cut numbers to a max 35 for the spring roster.

If a player is not receiving athletic monies, it is imperative that he verify just how many players the school plans to have in the fall. This year, the max number of athletic money players is 30 (with the number dropping to 27 next year). If a recruited walk-on is one of 4-5 being brought on (and there are no existing walk-ons taking up space on the roster), the player is probably okay, although it would be highly beneficial to get reassurances from the head coach. If a recruited walk-on is one of 10-15 being brought on, there's a problem and some of those WO's won't be on the team come spring.

I believe it's already too late to transfer to a D1 school and not sit.

A player will need one full academic year in residence to be eligible. So unless a player transferred before the 2007-2008 championship segment started (typically by enrolling in the second semester of 2007-2008 at the new school), he won't be eligible for baseball next spring.

Maybe I mis-remember this, but I believe this is the reason so many players got cut late last fall.

I think 3F is correct simply because a Freshman won't know if he is cut or even unhappy until after the fall roster is in place. A Fresman would have to not show up and not play in the fall.
Many coaches do not know who is going to show up. They may have not even talked to a WO who just decides to tryout at the last moment. Also RWO may get late offers and do not show.
There is no limit to the fall roster. NLI players are deemed to be on the spring roster when they are listed on the fall roster.