"I'd bet my life on it."

from www.cnn.com

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Kaysing theorized NASA sent the Apollo 11 astronauts up in a rocket until it was out of sight, then transferred the lunar capsule and its three passengers to a military cargo plane that dropped the capsule eight days later in the Pacific, where it was recovered. In the meantime, he believed, NASA officials filmed the "moon landing" at Area 51, the high-security military base in the Nevada desert, and brainwashed the astronauts to ensure their cooperation.

Well if this doesn't convince you that it was all fake then I guess nothing will.

Several issues here. First, assuming the same people who bring you the post office can pull off a conspiracy.

Second, assume a cargo plane in 1969 could stay airborne for 8 days with out engine failure or some other calamity.

Third, you could ever tell a pilot that he was wrong... or even worse, that his version of reality wasn't correct and make him believe it.

We went to the moon and we should be proud. As a 4U, one of the first memories I have is watching the Apollo 13 event on TV and thinking LIVE meant to live and hoping\praying the little 'Live' message on the top of the screen wouldn't transition to 'DIE'...

Eventually, my dear sweet grandmother, who is still a mentor meny years after her passing, set me straight on the dual meanings.

The amazing thing is that we went to the moon in 1969. The pathetic thing is that we can't go back in 2009, '10, or even '15... Our adversion to risk as a race will ultimately be our undoing.

I hope and pray I'm wrong.

This foolish premise, would also of course, interupt/ignore the technology timeline that later yielded the Mars landings(rovers), Space Shuttle, Space Station, Hubble Telescope, etc etc....

I suppose this stupid geezer believes those achievements are also Hollywood fabrications.

Kaysing is also a baseball umpire...........

The earlier link just goes to CNN. Here is the story today.

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Originally posted by JMoff:
We went to the moon and we should be proud. As a 4U, one of the first memories I have is watching the Apollo 13 event on TV and thinking LIVE meant to live and hoping\praying the little 'Live' message on the top of the screen wouldn't transition to 'DIE'...

Eventually, my dear sweet grandmother, who is still a mentor many years after her passing, set me straight on the dual meanings.

The amazing thing is that we went to the moon in 1969. The pathetic thing is that we can't go back in 2009, '10, or even '15... Our aversion to risk as a race will ultimately be our undoing.

I hope and pray I'm wrong.

I read an interesting commentary by Peggy Noonan along the lines of your more serious thoughts.

Everyone is noting the 40th anniversary, on July 20, of the moon landing. Good. It was an epic moment in history, though its memory is accompanied by an unsatisfied feeling, as if Columbus came to America and then no one followed. People will ask again why we've stopped visiting other places and have instead spent the past few decades watching the space shuttle orbit the Earth. There are many reasons for this (budgets, the end of the space race, an inability to understand the human imagination) but let me throw forward this one: The space program of the past 32 years unconsciously mirrored a change in American psychology. Once, we saw ourselves as a breakthrough people, a nation with a mission to push beyond ourselves. Now, in the age of soft narcissism, we just circle ourselves. Which is what the shuttle does: It is on an endless loop, going 'round and 'round and looking down at: us.

We should take our eyes off ourselves. We should go someplace again. It would remind us who we've been, which would remind us who we are.

Something about the steely-eyed rocket men of the Mercury and Apollo programs: They weren't criers. Now, on TV every day as people remember some trauma or triumph, they stop as if on cue—they know this is expected of them—and weep. They think this shows sincerity and sensitivity. But they feel too much about their struggles. I sometimes watch with fascination those shows where people lose weight. They often begin to s0b as they fall off the treadmill or remember the Twinkie they didn't eat. This is now the national style. It makes Europeans laugh. When they're about to be mawkish or overly emotional they say, "I don't mean to get American on you." The men who took the moon will be all over TV the next few days. I bet they don't cry as they remember "Tranquility Base here, the Eagle has landed." How moving their dry eyes will be.

10/4

The ***-kicking that keeps on giving:

Russia/Russians Still Blue Over Moon Landing 40 Years Later : (NY Times)

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Originally posted by coach2709:

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Kaysing theorized NASA sent the Apollo 11 astronauts up in a rocket until it was out of sight, then transferred the lunar capsule and its three passengers to a military cargo plane that dropped the capsule eight days later in the Pacific, where it was recovered. In the meantime, he believed, NASA officials filmed the "moon landing" at Area 51, the high-security military base in the Nevada desert, and brainwashed the astronauts to ensure their cooperation.

Well if this doesn't convince you that it was all fake then I guess nothing will.

heres what 72 yr old Buzz Aldrin thought of that guy.
Go Buzz! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOo6aHSY8hU

.... Huston we have a slap down!
You don't call a man who strapped himself to a rocket a coward

As both a NASA engineer (currently) and as someone who has had dinner with Neil Armstrong in our home several times (childhood home...my father knew him well)...I can tell you...IT WAS ALL FAKED!

(HA! HA!)

On the serious side...I've worked with the man who figured out how to re-enter spacecraft into the atmosphere (safely)...God rest his soul. I've written letters of recommendation for aspiring astronauts and in our division we are already working on simulating future manned moon landings. I've also met Buzz Aldrin, Alan Shepard, Sally Ride and numerous other astronauts. One used to be my wife's boss...another currently works (indirectly) under me. Very fine people, every one of them. Courageous. The 'best of the best!'

While Ms. Noonan's commentary may be right(??)...I think its on the periphery...the truth is that the thing that makes it so much harder for us to return now is the reluctance to take risk. The Challenger and Columbia accidents probably caused that(?). But the American public now demands perfection and doesn't want to assume much, if any risk. It greatly increases the costs of exploration and has hampered our space program greatly. It feels like its becoming a nearly un-achievable goal.

Most great things in life are achieved by taking risk. I'm not sure how we recover that boldness, determination and attitude. I hope we find a way for many more reasons than a return to the moon and beyond.

EVERYONE KNOWS that the moon walk was a hoax, intended solely to distract the nation from focusing on the horrible scandal that happened two days before.

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It happened thereabouts.

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Kaysing theorized NASA sent the Apollo 11 astronauts up in a rocket until it was out of sight, then transferred the lunar capsule and its three passengers to a military cargo plane that dropped the capsule eight days later in the Pacific, where it was recovered. In the meantime, he believed, NASA officials filmed the "moon landing" at Area 51, the high-security military base in the Nevada desert, and brainwashed the astronauts to ensure their cooperation.

Common perception in our culture today...it's true because I believe it.
To those wackos facts are of no use. Seems they are multiplying daily,
no thanks to the corrupt media and cyberspace.

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Kaysing theorized NASA sent the Apollo 11 astronauts up in a rocket until it was out of sight, then transferred the lunar capsule and its three passengers to a military cargo plane that dropped the capsule eight days later in the Pacific, where it was recovered.

Technologically speaking, this would probably be a lot harder than just going to the moon! What a joke.

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I agree just...that 'ol Pacific Ocean is a tough puddle to find sometimes. Just ask Krak.