I'm not sure which topic in the main menu to post this question, but since I know that this is the forum with all of the answers I decided to ask the experts.

My son's NLI is for a "% of full". We are now starting to get all of the other financial "stuff" from the school. When we calculate the baseball scholarship, what does "full" mean. Does it include books, parking and other expenses that financial aid adds in when they talk about the full cost of tuition? Does it vary by school? Any one going through this or anyone that has gone through this have the answer?

Thanks

bags,

I think that is a good question. I can only tell you from our experience. The cost of going to school included tuition, books, room & board. Books were itemized seperately from the athletic scholarship in the NLI.

Fungo has posted that there are literally dozens of ways to handle this however which could all be different. For instance, he said he saw a case where a 50% offer was made where 100% of expenses were covered in the fall and none were covered in the spring. I am assuming the expenses were for books, tuition, and R&B. Maybe parking or other micellaneous expenses are included but I don't really know.

Oh, very good question bags! It sounds like a very vague statement! I would suspect that it refers to "full tuition". My son's JUCO NLI states "full tuition and books" completely spelling it out. I would assume if it doesn't that the answer is tuition. That is simply my assumption though. Think I might place a call to the coach!

The NCAA defines a scholarship as tuition, fees, meals, room, and books.

The words full ride means evrything paid. There are no full rides in baseball. The 11.7 scholarships just don't go very far. A baseball player is doing very well to get his tuition covered. Some guys get very little if any money.

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Originally posted by bagsbaseball:
My son's NLI is for a "% of full". We are now starting to get all of the other financial "stuff" from the school. When we calculate the baseball scholarship, what does "full" mean.

bags - take the following worth a grain of salt; I'm going through this with my daughter and would think the term "full" equates to the cost of attendence for the school.

Beezer I have atleast 1o friends with daughters on full rides. 100% everything paid. You are talking a different ball game. Most pf them are rowers.
I talked to a coach who recently retired after 35 yeards at a mojor college and he said the only guy who ever came close to a full ride was Jetter. There were 10 recruiters and they agreed with him.
I know girls on scholarship in fast ball as well and basketball . Full Rides.
Russell Hicks at Pepperdine full ride in basketball.
Baseball is very unlikely even for top draft picks. Having 1 or 2 great player isn't going to win a lot of ball games.

Bobble - trust me, I'm WELL aware that "Full rides" are rare in baseball, and many other sports for that matter. My daughter is an athlete and going through this as well. But I don't think that changes the definition. Bags asked what "full" means and my thought was that it meant the cost of attendence. Not sure where your tangent came from but I was simply trying to help answer his question. Maybe I missunderstood the question and if so, I'm sorry.

Good question.

I can only speak for our case, and I do not think it would be unreasonable for you to contact the coach if you are uncertain as to the meaning of "full" in your NLI. In my son's case....he was given "% of full PLUS books".....the "full" meant tuition, room and board, fees. The "books" was a separate entity addressed on the NLI. I would guess each school handles things differently....so to make sure you are on the same page as the coach in definitions.....I would think this would merit a phone call.

I believe that each school handles it differently, so Luvbb's advice to call the coach is right. I have gone through this with two boys and in both cases, the NLI language was a straight dollar amount, so no "per cent's" were used. But obviously, other schools word it differently. Call!

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Originally posted by luvbb:
I would guess each school handles things differently....so to make sure you are on the same page as the coach in definitions.....I would think this would merit a phone call.

Good point and excellent suggestion.

I'll either shed some light or add confusion

each school has a "real" COA # (cost of attendance), used by the school & the feds
for FAFSA calculations etc - it's a pretty generous number

Prep's NCAA definition sounds reasonable, tho I can't recall seeing it in writing

but anyway, Bags could confirm the NCAA defition by simple math,

soo, I'll be waiting to hear


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I thought this might help:

http://www.njgs.com/ss_4_archive.asp?passsskID=24

Even though it pertains to golf, the NCAA is the NCAA and the definitions are the same regardless of the sport. In the article is states:

"According to NCAA bylaw 15.02.5, a full grant-in-aid (scholarship) is financial aid that consists of tuition and fees, room and board, and required course-related books."

But I would STILL call the coach to make sure you know what is covered.

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Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
The words full ride means evrything paid. There are no full rides in baseball. The 11.7 scholarships just don't go very far. A baseball player is doing very well to get his tuition covered. Some guys get very little if any money.

If you only count baseball scholarship money then maybe there are no full rides. But if you count athletic + academic then you can not only get a free ride but you can pocket cash up to a certain amount per year.

The NCAA's definition for golf is the same as for baseball. Many thanks, Beezer, for providing the link.

Like some others who post on this website, I think the "percentage of this" and "percentage of that" that coaches and families seem to like to toss around is a bunch of mularkey. At the end of the day, the baseball program's going to make available a set amount of money that will show up at the Cashier's Office to offset "junior's" expenses. End of story.

To spend a lot of time trying to decide whether to add in parking and whatever else you want to consider in determining the percentage is tantamount to examining one's navel.

Chicks: Keep in mind that there are MANY schools where academic money can't be added to athletic because it wouldn't be made available to the average student on the same basis. Yes, there are instances where it happens, particularly at state universities whose states provide "Hope-type" scholarships; but, they're still in the minority.

Just to clear up a few things. His NLI is written " % of full".
It is not a full ride as those of us that have been through the baseball process know rarely happens.
We received an original NLI to sign that had " % of tuition" and questioned that. It was wrong and a corrected one was sent with the " % of full". I know this is just splitting hairs in the long run, but we were figuring our out of pocket and were just wondering about the books and fee thing.
This all came up because my son received a letter about his academic scholarship today. What a wonderful letter to open, second only to the NLI! It does prove that in baseball it helps to have hit the books hard in high school.

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Originally posted by Prepster:
The NCAA's definition for golf is the same as for baseball. Many thanks, Beezer, for providing the link.

Prepster - I think we're on the same page here but my point was that it's not the same for golf and baseball, but that it's the same for every sport. A "full ride" = cost of attendance and the link I provided points that out. I think where the confusion comes in, you've touched on in the following...

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Originally posted by Prepster:
Like some others who post on this website, I think the "percentage of this" and "percentage of that" that coaches and families seem to like to toss around is a bunch of mularkey. At the end of the day, the baseball program's going to make available a set amount of money that will show up at the Cashier's Office to offset "junior's" expenses. End of story.

All of the different terms used can be confusing if you've never gone through it before. We're still trying to understand it in term of our daughter.

And for what it's worth Prepster, it may be "a bunch of mularky" to you and others, but for some parents experiencing all of this for the first time, it's probably a daunting task so they're coming here for some help from those of you who have already been through it.

Congratulations to your son, bagsbaseball!!

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Originally posted by bagsbaseball:
Just to clear up a few things. His NLI is written " % of full".

bags - my best guess is that "full" is the same thing as COA as bee, prepster and I mentioned previously; tuition, fees, room, board (meals) & books. Best to clarify with the FA office or coach though just to be sure. Don't ask me where EFC fits in there though.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Prepster:

Like some others who post on this website, I think the "percentage of this" and "percentage of that" that coaches and families seem to like to toss around is a bunch of mularkey.

Sorry, but I have to respectfully disagree with your assessment of "mularkey" when "percentage of this" is used in an NLI. Perhaps I am reading your statement in a way not intended. Personally, I would much rather have the offer written as a "percentage" rather than a dollar amount. When tuition, room and board fees are raised each year your son is at the university..his total scholarship will go up according to the "percentage" written in his NLI. If the agreement is written in a "dollar" amount.....the total value of the scholarship by the time he graduates 4-5 years down the road with tuition increases each year, won't be worth the same amount towards total costs as it was his freshman year.