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Hi, I'm 15 years old and I play third base for my high school. I play 3B and OF.

I don't have very good stamina and I get tired quickly when doing long distance running, so I've decided to try and fix that. I've also heard from my doctor that I should work to improve my core as well. What would be a good way to start off slow and gradually build stamina. Would long distance running be better or wind sprints? Thank you.


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Welcome to the boards.

Can you tell us a little more about yourself and what kind of training you have done to this date?

This will help me help you.


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Jon,
I purchased your Unbreakable Abs DVD for my 15 yr old son. He's not the type to do things on his own (unfortunately). Do you have recommended trainers in the Chicago area that follow this type of regimen that I could talk to and have him work with?
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I have worked on being in shape so much at school my coaches used to make us run 7 miles a day. I am in great long distance shape but I can not run sprints very fast so Yakyu I would work on long and short distance. I dont have a lot of experience i thought that might help you a little bit.
 
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Igball,

I am sorry to say I do not have a trainer in the Chicago area. That is not to say there isn't a good one. Can you help train your son with the instructions on the DVD/book?


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igball, where are you located in the chicago area?
 
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western suburbs
 
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If you have purchased unbreakable abs my son could probably demo the workouts for you and your son if that would help.
 
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I would say the sprits would be more specific for baseball. Not much distance running on the diamond. If you want to work the core the best way is to create an unstable environment. Such as physio ball workouts. There are a ton of exercises for core on the internet. Spend $20 on a physio ball and get cracking.
 
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Unstable environments are great for training...Stability (physio) balls should be a part of training, but minor part at that.

All baseball training should be based around large compound ground-based activities.


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Originally posted by Jon Doyle:

All baseball training should be based around large compound ground-based activities.


Could you expand on that?
 
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Ground-based activities is where your feet are in contact with the floor at some point in the exercise and you are also in an upright position at some point as well.

Examples: squats, deadlifts, cleans, snatches, military press, push press, windmill, home run press, lunges, box jumps, etc.


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I'm a 50 something semi couch potato with a 15 year old ball player who has so far got by on talent alone. I am looking for something that we might be able to do together to help me get more fit and him to get more baseball fit. I'm 6'1" 240 (200 would be nice) and he is about 6'1" 140. Is a program like Unbreakable Abs or similar something that might be appropriate as a place to start? Thanks for any feedback.
 
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I'm a 50 something semi couch potato with a 15 year old ball player who has so far got by on talent alone. I am looking for something that we might be able to do together to help me get more fit and him to get more baseball fit. I'm 6'1" 240 (200 would be nice) and he is about 6'1" 140. Is a program like Unbreakable Abs or similar something that might be appropriate as a place to start? Thanks for any feedback.


Within Unbreakable Abs there are different programs based upon experience and fitness levels. The program certainly can be tailored to your and your sons needs and is very efficient so it does not take up a ton of tim ein order to be effective. Any other questions let me know. Thanks


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Back to the original question.
I would suggest you start with running a mile every day and increase this to 2 miles over several months. When you get to 2 miles, then start adding sprints of 40 yards. Run your 2 miles; stretch; then start with 2 40 yarders and do the sprints 3 X's at week (M,W,F ; T,Th,Sat - or some combination like that). Increase the sprints to 6 over a month and then start mixing in 60 yd sprints.
Many would say that you shouldn't run long distance. You have to consider the source. If it's an adult who is out of shape or who doesn't like running then maybe long distance to them is anything over a sprint that they advocate so maybe 100 yd. is long distance running to them.
I believe that most young people should run "long distance" of a mile or two every day as many have not run much before and they have to build up their ligaments and tendons in their lower extremities. I have heard these teen agers complain about how their knees, ankles, hips, etc. ache. Hey it's better to condition the body with low G forces than to start with sprints and expose these problem areas with the high G forces of sprinting.
Also a two mile run will build up the heart and lungs and this is what carries nourishment to the body. It is not long distance. Long distance that would hurt a ball player would be running 5 miles or more every day and this is a guesstiment. When I was in HS, we had a nearby school that had their long distance runners running 15 miles a day and one of them was a top miler in the country and he ran an extra 10 mi. before school and 15-25 miles a day on the weekend. That's long distance.
I have heard parents at the HS complain about how the coach is ruining their ball player because they run a mile and a half.
When I was in HS, and no I didn't play ball. but in football, wrestling, track (all the team - including the shot puters) - EVERYBODY was to run to the track (about 1/4 mile) and do 4 laps before practice began. This was for warm up. Then we started with the work.
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My comment is directed to the dad's who don't have motivated kids or are trying to help their ids with weight lifting. My suggestion is to lead by example.

I bought weight equipment including a Smith style machine, a leg press/hack squat machine, dumbells, jump ropes, med balls, curl bars, etc... It all saw occasional use at best. That all changed when I started working out too. Now we lift together (more fun) and we are both benefitting from it. My wife is even joining in some.

Start slow and light and work your way up if you haven't been doing much physical activity.
 
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My comment is directed to the dad's who don't have motivated kids or are trying to help their ids with weight lifting. My suggestion is to lead by example.

I bought weight equipment including a Smith style machine, a leg press/hack squat machine, dumbells, jump ropes, med balls, curl bars, etc... It all saw occasional use at best. That all changed when I started working out too. Now we lift together (more fun) and we are both benefitting from it. My wife is even joining in some.

Start slow and light and work your way up if you haven't been doing much physical activity.


Incredible advice. Keep up the good work. Everybody wins in this situation.


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Motivation is one of the biggest struggles that anyone in athletics finds. You gotta have it or you wont get anywhere. Motivation is in every part of life and history.
 
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Well I guess the main things I would recommend is long-tossing (3-4X/week or more if your arm feels well), running (about a mile a day & sprints), and shoulder exercises with tubing and light weights.


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"Hi, I have a question. I'm 16 years old and around 5'10, 120 lbs. I recently went down to Florida and discovered that I couldn't pitch more than three innings without my arm becoming sore."

Does that usually happen? How many pitches were in those three innings? How's your conditioning?


"I was wondering if there was any way for me to train myself to increase my stamina."

First, if you're not throwing the amount of pitches in your bullpen that you're required to do so in a game, you're putting yourself at a defecit.

How many times do you pitch a week?

I'd pitch more if I were you, try to get at least 2 (and try for 3) pitching sessions (100% intensity while videotaping with the goal to improve), as pitching is a two-phase motor skill.

Out of 7 days, it's as many (I'd say at least 2, try for 3) as you can. The Japanese throw 100+ pitch bullpens, Korean youths pitch over 200. They're able to do that in games as well.

I'd recommend doing it on non-lifting days (IE. if you work out mon/wed/fri, I'd throw tue/thur/sat). It depends on the individual, it's what's known as the Principle of Individuality. Some people need 48 hours (IE. Throw on Tuesday at 6 PM, Thursday at 6 PM would be 48 hours), while some need 72 hours. Some can throw back to back. It depends on how you're feeling. I can't tell you, only you know.

Do you just stretch before you throw and then pitch?

"Stretching reduces the strength-endurance capability of a pitcher (Kokkonen, Nelson, & Arnall, 2001).
Excessive stretching in warm-ups inhibits strength performance (Kokkonen & Nelson, 1996) and force production (Behm, Button, & Butt, 2001; Evetovich, Nauman, Conley, & Todd, 2003; Fry, McLellan, Weiss, & Rosato, 2003).
Stretching routines should be moderate to minimal and cease at least one hour before the game (Fowles & Sale, 1997).
Stretching reduces throwing velocity (Noffal, Knudson, & Brown, 2004).
Stretching does not prevent injuries (Herbert & Gabriel, 2002; Wilkinson & Williams, 2003).
Some researchers have said that no stretching should be performed at all before explosive activities (Young & Behm, 2003)."

What you want to do is a dynamic warm up:

High knees
Butt kickers
Side shuffles (feet nearly touch in between each rep)
Backwards running
Lunges (get low)
Karaokes
Arm Swing, circles
Running, sprints
Push ups

Or, if you live close enough, take a 10 minute hot shower. The goal is to raise the body temperature 1 - 1 1/2ºC, enough where a light sweat breaks out on the back of your hands, upper lip, and forehead.

For pitching, sprints are great. You'll have to work the anaerobic system the most. I'd suggest doing ultra-short interval training.

3 sets of 5 repetitions of running 20 meters at 100% intensity, with a 25 second break inbetween each rep (so no lactic acid builds up), and after every set, walk for 2 minutes.

Then 4 sets of 5 reps of running 10 meters at 100% intensity, with a 20 second break inbetween each rep, and jog 2 minutes between sets.

Finally, 2 sets of 10 reps of running 10 meters at 100% intensity with a 15 second break inbetween each rep, and jog 2 minutes between each set.

If your performance begins to deteriorate, the set should cease and the two-minute break should begin.

And you should also do some aerobic fitness as well (ie. running long distances, try to run continuously for 60 minutes. Start off at first at a pace quicker than a walk, and do that for 60 minutes, then keep increasing the speed as the weeks go by), as it helps in quicker recovery from and increases the capacity to perform skill trials at practices, as well as increases mental alertness and tolerance to heat.

From 28.6 of The Science and Art of Baseball Pitching: "Skill learning is determined by performing skill repititons and obtaining feedback (meaning, the catcher asked for a fastball low and away. Was it there?) in the absence of fatigue.

For skill learning to occur, learning has to take place in blocks so that feedback from one trial can be used to modify the next trial. That feedback gradually causes good elements to be retained and poor elements to be altered. The essential feature of learning is that the proximity of trials allows the learning benefits (the feedback) from one trial to transfer to the next. However, when other activities intervene between repititions of a skill, the benefits of feedback are disrupted. This interference means that what is experienced in one trial quickly becomes masked by the intervening unrelated activities. Consequently, sporadic trials wth unrelated trials in between do not foster learning. This is a major reason for skill development not being an artifact of a game experience. A block of repititions of the same skill should promote learning and improvement.

Fatigue is the other main feature that must be considered when planning or conducting skill development in a training session. Fatigue impedes learning. Skills and tactical elements are learned faster and retained better when learning occurs in non-fatigued states. All learning should precede (be before) any occurrence of fatigue in a training session... it has been shown that techniques and tactics learned in non-fatigued states produce better performances in fatigued states than do skills that have been learned in the persence of fatigue (Barnett, Ross, Schmidt, & Todd, 1973; Williams, McEwan, Watkins, Gillespie, & Boyd, 1979). The phsiology of learning supports this finding. The formation of neuromuscular patterns is inhibited by increases in acidity of the supporting physiological environment. Thus, when lactic acid accrues (increases) because of physical fatigue, the potential for learning is reduced. The other and more common complication of fatigue involvese neuromuscular patterns. Each skill trial lays down catecholamines at the nerve synapses in the evoked neuromuscular pattern. On the next trial, nerve impulses find it easier to follow the "chemical trail" than when there was none. That is why specific skill warm-ups and mental imagery work. They invoke the appropriate chemicals pattern of a movement and make it easier to perform the skill reliability.
However, if each skill trial is varied, the catecholamines are laid down in several patterns, some of which might be better than others. In time, the body becomes confused as to which neuromuscular pattern should be invoked because there are so many possible pathways to be followed." Once that happens, you'll want to stop and rest for awhile, if not the rest of the day.

What all that above explained is if you want to get better (velocity, control, able to throw more pitches), you're going to have to throw in blocked sets - with rest in between so as not to fatigue - and to also go over what you need to work on during the next block in order to improve.

You'll want to throw 5-10 of the same pitch in the same location (and it'd be nice if you had someone watch you to offer advice, or what would be better is videotaping, so you can see yourself what you need to fix), then take about 1 1/2 to 2 minute break, then do this again.
Keep record of how many times you hit the desired location, and always try to become better than the pitch before.

This will all help you improve. The more you pitch (and with good feedback so you know what to do to improve), the better you'll become.

If you're expected to throw 100 pitches in a game, you better be able to do it in practice. If you don't, you won't be fit to pitch those 100 pitches. That's where people hit the so called "wall", their control goes south, their velocity might lower, and their chance for injury (because your body might not be using the same motion because of fatigue) increases. That's why you should build up your bullpen pitches higher and higher (not right away, but as I said, build up the number of pitches gradually).

As your mechanics are improved, and your skill improves, then start pitching both in non-fatigued and fatigued states. "Arnett, DeLuccia, and Gilmartien (2000) showed that males and not females benefit from practicing in fatigued conditions. Performance in fatigued situations improved after condition-specific practice. A coach must be wary not to practice only in fatigued states but to balance the two experiences and to err on the side of too little rather than too much fatigued practice."

Best of luck.


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