Where is hs competition the toughest in the state of California?

Some would say Southern Cali., Some would say Northern Cali.,
Some would say Orange County, Some would say The Bay Area.
Some would say the Catholic Leagues, Some would say the Public Schools.
But in reality the Central Valley from Sacramento to Bakersfield Is the Toughest Competition. Not only do they play tough, They play it in 110 degree weather!
I hope I didn't rattle any cages?
Are hurt your pour feelings. LOL

Hey EH- 110? Not that often. Ya ever been north of Sac? It gets pretty dang hot up there too, maybe even hotter than the central valley.

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Gee Wiz guys...Heat?...Doesn't the ball carry abnormally long in that heat?....

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Ob44,

The ball should travel the greatest distance in a warm and humid environemnt. It should travel the least distance in cold, dry air. This is a simple analysis, based on air density.

However, baseball is a confounding thing. Suppose that the ball, itself, changes according to the weather...and the basic physics get changed. Could this be why so many baseball folk have said things like "...the air was humid and heavy.. and the ball didn't carry" (even though humid air is lighter than non-humid air).

I think there is a lot of confusion in the baseball world. But I am not sure which confusion is correct, including my own.

BBfam have u been in Fresno's heat

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Glider..

Without getting into a lot of obscusive details...I would figure that more moisture would mean heavier baseballs and more friction with the added moisture in the air...both creating less "action"...

In any case....Let's see the coast is humid and wet and cool....by the glider theory then, the best power hitters/pitchers should develop on the coast where the fog rolls in and players have to hit/pitch through the pea soup...

...on the other hand...the fielders can't see the ball so the averages are inflated...

...your right all very confusing...

You'll like this...

If you want to be wise, it is best to ignore all wise sayings including this one...

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BBfam: Your right did not mean to leave out Redding or any where in between for the heat factor. Hot is Hot

Yes I have been and played in Fresno. Basically all the heat stinks but in all honesty we have it good compared to the hot humid places. Went back east on a vacation. Temerature about 100 and humidity to match. Thought I would die! Had to go back to my room because I was physically sick. Couldn't play in that. Take Fresno, Redding, Palm Springs wherever in Cal to that

I need to interject with a NorCal perspective. My son plays in San Francisco where baseball weather is traditionally down jackets, ski hats and blankets. Even in summer! True, when they have summer games anywhere outside of the City, the heat really gets to them. But for sheer torture, players and spectators have to be really tough around here. And, from what I've heard, WCAL competition is pretty good!

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Originally posted by BBfam:
Yes I have been and played in Fresno. Basically all the heat stinks but in all honesty we have it good compared to the hot humid places. Went back east on a vacation. Temerature about 100 and humidity to match. Thought I would die! Had to go back to my room because I was physically sick. Couldn't play in that. Take Fresno, Redding, Palm Springs wherever in Cal to that

Based on our experience, dry hot air lets the ball carry ... couple that with some wind and you have a launching pad. Most of the coastal schools that our son competed against were very stingy with the long ball ... and more so at night.

By the way, as for where the best ball is played in California ... don't forget San Diego area. And to be honest, I think it is pretty well spread out up and down the state ... just watch a high school north/south all star game and see what kind of talent comes from the whole state.

OB44,

This is just for fun.

As a former pilot I can assure you that humid air is less dense than dry air (based on molecular weight difference between water and nitrogen). I used to base my life on that basic fact, especially in mountain airports! Cold, dry air is the most dense. There is less friction in humid air, compared to dry air.

The Pacific coast is not humid, although it can be wet (e.g. fog). Humidity and fog are two different things. Theoretically, a home run contest on the West cost will underperform the same contest on the East Coast.

The thing I'm not too sure about is the effect of condensed water (fog) on the ball itself, as well as the attitude of the batter (I used to hate to bat in the fog!). On the other hand, humidity takes some gettin' used to, so maybe the West coast sluggers might feel a tad sluggish back East.

In the end, still confusing to me....

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This is good stuff...almost as good/contentious as the instructional threads!.....Just kidding!...Learning a great deal.....Which is harder to endure as a ballplayer/fan: Summer cold in SF, or summer heat in the valley...

The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco... Mark Twain

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I believe california has started to wake up out there, lets get this site rolling. its Baseball season!
Baseball is great all over the country. anymore you have talent everywhere and I think that its the Player not the part of the country he comes from. The EH

the WCAL has some of the best baseball in the state. The WCAL is a religious private school league including

Bellarmine
St. Francis
Serra
Sacred Heart Cathedral
Valley Christian
ArchBishop Mitty
ArchBishop Riordan

Possibly the strongest league in California

Yes I heard about those Religous Private Schools.

I heard about this Kid that wanted to go to one his sophmore year, but they did not accept him.
So his Sophmore year he led the area in rushing yards with like 1500+, TD's scored, all area.

The next year his Junior year, The Religous Private School found a spot for him. Gee its a wonder how that works out.

They talk about HS ball going by way of Select ball.
It already has, Its called Religous Private School!

Do you know anything about Jesuit HS in Sacto? A friend of ours is sending his son there and wants us to go too. Said the BB team is excellent.

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Watched a number of Jesuit players at Area Code try outs and such last year...

VERY impressive...

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Know anything about the coaches? This is my son we're talking about Wouldn't want him with just anyone.

Jesuit has an outstanding baseball team this year. It really is a team of a caliber that rarely comes along anywhere. They are deep in quality pitching, with a lineup that will score a lot of runs and play solid defense. The coaches are very knowledgeable and spend a lot of time preparing the team. This program is truly a cut above most other high school teams.

It is also a very demanding school/team to play for, and not everyone can handle that aspect of playing for Jesuit. If your son is the type of student who can acheive in the classroom, you'd be hard pressed to find a better high school anywhere than Jesuit.