Any teams missing from the Baseball America top 50?
My comments are that most years I feel Chatsworth is over rated. This year I feel they may be a bit under rated as they've got very deep pitching even though their hitting may not be as deep as in the past.
As usual the Marmonte league isn't in there. Wouldn't be surprised to see a team in there after the preseason tournaments, who will then drop out of the rankings during league and end up back in the rankings after the CIF SS playoffs.
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I thought it was odd that Don Bosco Prep would be ranked # 1 by Collegiate Baseball, # 33 by Baseball America. Quite a disparity, perhaps due to the wholly subjective nature of these polls.
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MTS- Why do you say that? They have three guys who will pitch at the next level at a minimum including a lefty who is in the 90's that some people think might go in the first round.
That is typical SoCal superiority complex. Baseball in southern California is deeper- not always better. I've been taking our summer/fall program down south for 15 years and seen the best SoCal has to offer. The best in central and northern California can play with anybody down there.
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My son has played with several of the players from Buhach colony this fall and they do have some great arms, but as a overall team they have yet to even get to to the sub section championship game and have some defensive short comings as was evident in last years playoffs. So to say they are better then any team in the south is quite a leap, socal has some of the best high school teams in the nation. They have to proof on the diamond.
Posts: 16 | Location: northern california | Registered: December 18, 2007
Originally posted by ncball: MTS- Why do you say that? They have three guys who will pitch at the next level at a minimum including a lefty who is in the 90's that some people think might go in the first round.
That is typical SoCal superiority complex. Baseball in southern California is deeper- not always better. I've been taking our summer/fall program down south for 15 years and seen the best SoCal has to offer. The best in central and northern California can play with anybody down there.
I'm sorry you said BC is as good, if not better. You guys lost 11-4 to us. We lost only 1 player to graduation and gained a couple of bats. During the summer and fall a lot of the high schools are trying new players to see if they will play at the next level, so you didn't necessarily get to see the best. Some played football others took official trips. Depth is what it's all about.
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There is a lot more to the game then just throwing hard, again I will go back to last years playoffs with the same pitchers, BC went 1-2 gave up alot of runs, they have the potential to be a good team and do play in a very good league, but this is a very tough section in norcal with Elk Grove winning 3 consecutive section crowns and they are not on anyones national radar. So to be better than any team in socal you need to win in your own backyard.
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Originally posted by bbfan10: There is a lot more to the game then just throwing hard, again I will go back to last years playoffs with the same pitchers, BC went 1-2 gave up alot of runs, they have the potential to be a good team and do play in a very good league, but this is a very tough section in norcal with Elk Grove winning 3 consecutive section crowns and they are not on anyones national radar. So to be better than any team in socal you need to win in your own backyard.
Perhaps you should look at Maxpreps and see who won what last year. We lost no pitchers to graduation, picked up another, plus 3 very heavy bats and more middle infield. One very strong player was ineligible last year because he had transferred in.
Posts: 226 | Location: SoSoCAL | Registered: October 22, 2007
MTS, my comments were directed to ncball and his opinion that BC is at the level as some of the best HS teams in socal, although I do believe BC has some great arms, it takes more to be a nationally recognized program and you should win in your own area before comparing yourself to some of the elite programs in socal.
Posts: 16 | Location: northern california | Registered: December 18, 2007
Originally posted by bbfan10: MTS, my comments were directed to ncball and his opinion that BC is at the level as some of the best HS teams in socal, although I do believe BC has some great arms, it takes more to be a nationally recognized program and you should win in your own area before comparing yourself to some of the elite programs in socal.
Sorry, I'm dyslexic.
Posts: 226 | Location: SoSoCAL | Registered: October 22, 2007
bbfan- They are the best team in that section and I don't think it's close. Elk Grove will be WAY down this year and won't be in the discussion.
MTS- I have nothing to do with Buhach Colony. I know the talent they have and they can match up and beat anybody down there. Bottom line- SoCal doesn't have the market cornered on good baseball. I know plenty of teams in high school and travel from northern California that handle the best Socal has to offer. SoCal is the best overall in talent in the country. That said, to not give credit to other areas is foolish.
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Originally posted by ncball: bbfan- They are the best team in that section and I don't think it's close. Elk Grove will be WAY down this year and won't be in the discussion.
MTS- I have nothing to do with Buhach Colony. I know the talent they have and they can match up and beat anybody down there. Bottom line- SoCal doesn't have the market cornered on good baseball. I know plenty of teams in high school and travel from northern California that handle the best Socal has to offer. SoCal is the best overall in talent in the country. That said, to not give credit to other areas is foolish.
They will need to win against the best of SoCal, to say "They are as good, if not better than SoCal Teams."
Posts: 226 | Location: SoSoCAL | Registered: October 22, 2007
So if Northern California teams aren't good enough to play with the Southern California teams how come when Monterey went to the Bishop Gorman tourney in Las Vegas last year, they not only beat the eventual Nevada state champion home team Bishop Gorman, they also beat Lutheran from Orange and tied with Bellflower - ended up winning the whole thing... not bad for a small public school of 1200 kids...
So how about a Southern California team coming up north for once... we have fields too!!! Last time I checked they were 90 ft between bases... (although underwater it was hard to measure...)
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" There's nothing cooler than a guy who does what we dream of doing, and then enjoys it as much as we dream we would enjoy it. " -- Scott Ostler on Tim Lincecum
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Originally posted by 08Dad: So if Northern California teams aren't good enough to play with the Southern California teams how come when Monterey went to the Bishop Gorman tourney in Las Vegas last year, they not only beat the eventual Nevada state champion home team Bishop Gorman, they also beat Lutheran from Orange and tied with Bellflower - ended up winning the whole thing... not bad for a small public school of 1200 kids...
So how about a Southern California team coming up north for once... we have fields too!!! Last time I checked they were 90 ft between bases... (although underwater it was hard to measure...)
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Take a look at the schedules of those two teams. Most of their wins were against teams with losing records. Both lost in the 1st round of CIF playoffs.
Posts: 226 | Location: SoSoCAL | Registered: October 22, 2007
So beating the #7 team in the country doesn't matter? Not our fault in Nor Cal that So Cal teams are too cool to travel...
" There's nothing cooler than a guy who does what we dream of doing, and then enjoys it as much as we dream we would enjoy it. " -- Scott Ostler on Tim Lincecum
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Actually some of the central valley teams are pretty strong at times.
