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Not the greatest picture but if anyone can see anything feedback would be greatly appreciated



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Posts: 94 | Location: Chicago, IL | Registered: February 17, 2003Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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the one thing that jumps out at me is no bend in the front leg... i was always taught when u release the ball the front knee should be bent to almost a 90 degree... but im not professional... im jsut chiming in
 
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thats partially the reason probably why i have a weak follow thru then i assume


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Posts: 94 | Location: Chicago, IL | Registered: February 17, 2003Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Not really...

A still is a moment in time. Post a clip, much more useful.

Clemens finishes with a stiff front leg. So do many others.

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I agree that a clip would be more helpful. But it looks to me like your stride is short, and because you use a stiff landing leg, it is causing you to fight to get your upper body out front and folding over your front leg. It's not that you're failing to follow through, it's that you're unable to follow through because you're fighting yourself. I would suspect that when you tire you go up and to the left side of the plate ... am I warm?
 
Posts: 2510 | Location: Virginia | Registered: February 01, 2006Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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..........Can anyone see anything in this pic?

Yeah, I see the ball just after releaseWink

Serious side now...everyone should know that a still photo is not sufficient to give any meaningful advice on. You're much better off posting video. There's no way of knowing if your stride is too short based on a stiff stride leg after release.

Here are a couple of 100mph guys with your mechanic.




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The one thing I will tell you is to keep your shoulders straight. See how your body is leaning to the right. That causes your head to go off to the right, that slight head tilt will alter your pitch.
 
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1. Your glove-side knee looks like it's locked, which could cause control problems. I don't think it has to be bent 90 degrees, but I think there should be some flexibility in your leg.

2. Your pitching arm side foot is still back by the rubber, which will limit how much your hips can rotate. Do you have problems with your velocity?

3. The toe of your glove-side foot looks like it's up which might suggest you landed too much on your heel (which could cause control problems).
 
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ill try to get a video up but lately ive had problems with my velocity it has dropped a few mphs since ive arrived at college, ive worked with Tom House in the past so thats my basics of my mechanics where i get them from


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(To the tune of lets go Mets)

We want video

we want video...

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Posts: 48 | Location: Manalapan, NJ | Registered: April 09, 2006Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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ill try to get a video up but lately ive had problems with my velocity it has dropped a few mphs since ive arrived at college, ive worked with Tom House in the past so thats my basics of my mechanics where i get them from


I believe (and Tom House agrees in his new NPA book) that the primary source of a pitcher's velocity comes from the rotation of their hips, torso, and shoulders. The hips open which stretches the muscles of the torso which then powerfully pulls the shoulders around.

If you look at video clips of power pitchers, you will notice that at the moment their shoulders start to turn (and are still closed), their hips are very open. In many cases (e.g. Nolan Ryan) the hips rotate 75 or more degrees ahead of the shoulders.

By leaving your pitching arm side foot behind on the rubber, you will limit how much your hips will rotate and how powerfully they will pull your shoulders around.

I would suggest that you try working on keeping your shoulders closed as long as possible while your hips open up underneath them (what House calls late torso rotation). This will maximize how much you stretch the muscles of your torso.

Feel free to PM me if you want to talk about this at length.
 
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I hate to be a pain but ...

how can anything be deduced about his mechanics from this photo? His motion is finished.

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how can anything be deduced about his mechanics from this photo? His motion is finished.


Yes, but you can compare his position at this moment with the position of others at the same point in time and look for the differences. Those differences include the locked glove-side knee and his pitching arm side toe back by the rubber.

It's all cause and effect. You can often identify the cause by looking at the effect.
 
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I don't believe his motion is finished and the photo is revealing enough. It has been said that his knee is locked and I believe its too soon. His hips are not opened yet and his rear leg is lagging. He is standing up too tall as well and using mostly his arm. He will not have his strongest finish in this position.
PainGuy made some solid suggestions here. Get those hips more involved and that front knee bent and stay lower. Allow your body to move to the plate and your arm will follow. A stronger rotation may add some velocity to your FB as well. Good mechanical foundation has also been known to increase movement on some pitches. Good Luck.


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No way... not that I disagree with any of what you said, I just can't agree on making any kind of observations from a still.

Let me ask you, what happens to all that energy from the hips - where does it go and how?

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Not trying to be a pain, but tell me what this guy's doing wrong.
 
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I don't believe his motion is finished and the photo is revealing enough. It has been said that his knee is locked and I believe its too soon. His hips are not opened yet and his rear leg is lagging. He is standing up too tall as well and using mostly his arm. He will not have his strongest finish in this position.
PainGuy made some solid suggestions here. Get those hips more involved and that front knee bent and stay lower. Allow your body to move to the plate and your arm will follow. A stronger rotation may add some velocity to your FB as well. Good mechanical foundation has also been known to increase movement on some pitches. Good Luck.


He's already released the ball, so most of the excitement is over.

The fact that his hips are not yet fully open and his rear leg is lagging is a precisely the point and likely a big part of the problem (remember that he said he's having problems with velocity); that means he wasn't able to fully use his hips to generate power. That's why I would agree that he probably threw too much with his arm and too little with his body (which is counterintuitive).
 
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Let me ask you, what happens to all that energy from the hips - where does it go and how?


Most of it gets transmitted up to the shoulders through the rotation of the torso. However, since his hips aren't all the way open, they probably aren't generating all the power that they could (or should).
 
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Not trying to be a pain, but tell me what this guy's doing wrong.


Not much.

I think he's leaning a bit too far forward, but that isn't a huge deal.

Notice how his glove-side knee is bent. This may reduce the strain on his elbow and shoulder.

Also, notice how his foot is farther off the rubber (knee is closer to the ground than Chuck's). That means he was better able to get his hips into the throw.

I also like how he's pulling his glove into his glove-side pec (which is something that Chuck does well).
 
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Do you realize that I can take a picture of a statue and throw a BB uniform on it and you would think that it used its hips??? There is no way to deduce this by the position of the foot relative to the rubber. A completely linear pitcher could have his foot in this same position.
 
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